Following up on their speculative Quake 4 story a couple of weeks ago (story), a new report on Computer and Video Games titled "Raven takes Quake 4 from Carmack" offers further fuel to this rumor, saying "several independent insiders, under conditions of strict anonymity, have now confirmed that the project is well down the line at Raven and will almost certainly be shown at QuakeCon." As pointed out in the article, "Activision is refusing to discuss the subject on or off the record." On an equally speculative note, Raven Flies Quake 4 Flag on FGN likewise cites "reliable sources," agreeing that Quake 4 (IV?) will be unveiled at QuakeCon, and adds an even more speculative release date as "late 2003." Rounding out the no comments on this, they point out that Raven likewise has not yet responded to their requests for a comment on these rumors.