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1. No subject Apr 14, 2007, 13:03 Lorcin
 
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Ohh look - sony have dropped the ball

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2. Re: No subject Apr 14, 2007, 14:21 CyberB
 
No surprise. Why bother getting a PS3 now? With the exception of Resistance, the remaining PS3 exclusive games are not that good. And, Resistance is a solid FPS, but nothing spectacular.

That leaves you with buying ports...Oblivion, Splinter Cell, Fear, Call of Duty, etc have already been done on other systems...PC and 360.

No thanks. When good exclusive PS3 games are available I'll consider picking one up. Until then, I'll stick with my PC and 360.

 
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3. PS3 Price Apr 14, 2007, 15:34 Tumbler
 
Sony needs to cut their price, no question. The problem now is that gamers see the software coming for the system and the "value" of the system is going down rather than up. Even if they drop it to $500 for the 60GB system it's still a tough sell to gamers. Almost all the same games are still available, and look better, on the other system.

I'm beginning to wonder if the PS3 is doomed to become a fancy Movie player... Unless the games start really showing us something we can't get elsewhere why is this thing worth the money?

 
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4. I'd buy one Apr 14, 2007, 16:33 Creston
 
If it was 350 bucks.

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5. Re: I'd buy one Apr 14, 2007, 16:52 Ciredric
 
All the game devs have said the PS3's graphics are inferior to the 360 and harder to write code for. No wonder there isn't any good PS3 games out there.

Sony really sucked the big one on this console. I would not buy one. High price so they could claim a win in the blue-ray vs others dvd wars, which I hear they are not even close to winning.

 
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6. Re: I'd buy one Apr 14, 2007, 20:10 Parallax Abstraction
 
What game devs have said its inferior? As far as I've read, many say it's harder to code for but none say the 360 is more powerful. By specs alone, it isn't.

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7. Re: I'd buy one Apr 14, 2007, 20:32 Ray Marden
 
I have a 360 solely because I could not find a Wii.

I thought the price for the 360 was okay, there were two games we were very interested in buying, there are a few "early" games that we could get for cheap, and it has wide support in the market.

For the last month, we have been searching for a Wii (and only a Wii, you bundling-jerk online retailers!) and will buy one on sight. Having said that, it looks like it may be months before we finally get one...

Meanwhile, all the stores have full stock of the Playstation 3. For me to buy one right now, it would have to cost no more than $300 for the enhanced model and I honestly have no idea what game I would buy for it - I guess the FPS game. But $600? Now? Yeah right. Maybe at $500 and with an amazing group of must-have games. But at the current rate, I probably won't want/buy one for another year.

And it's not a money issue, but a worth issue. I will be building a new system in July and I won't bat an eye at that expenditure.
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8. Re: I'd buy one Apr 14, 2007, 23:49 Kosumo
 
I still see no reason to upgrade from my atari 2600

 
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9. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 02:15 DrEvil
 
PS3 has the potential for more power than the 360 in CPU but the 360 has a slightly more powerful GPU. Neither is significant enough to mean much. What makes the most difference is the general difficulty of developing on the thing, which the 360 has a very clear and strong advantage in.

 
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10. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 03:03 Bet
 
If it was 350 bucks.

I'd pick one up for that price too. No games though, would just run Folding@Home on it 24/7. It's a hell of a better folder at this point than it is a game machine, that's for sure.

 
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11. No subject Apr 15, 2007, 06:13 Zarkov
 
Here in Sweden the PS3 is currently selling for about $925.

Or, more accurately, that's the current price tag.

EDIT: Obviously it makes perfect sense that we have to pay a premium, given that we get shipped consoles of lesser quality than the states or Japan.

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12. Re: No subject Apr 15, 2007, 06:29 greylantern
 
@Parallax Abstraction - The GPU on the 360 is slightly better/more flexible than the one on the PS3, that is what devs are alluding to. And it's pretty undisputable by now (it's been known since BEFORE the ps3 was even released). And not only that but because the system (inc the GPU's and CPU's flexible nature) are far easier to program for, it means devs can spend longer doing more tricks and getting stable performance.

Anyway, A price cut IS needed but more importantly (or just as importantly) the system (PS3) needs some games. It DOES just feel like a cheap/clumsy way to get a blu ray player at the moment and Sony need to remove those 2 barriers (price and games perception) before the thing will sell. They should have had games sorted from Launch bearing in mind how long they delayed the trojan.. sorry, games console.
 



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13. Re: No subject Apr 15, 2007, 06:57 TorTorden
 
Indeed, the gpu on the xbox360 is considerably more powerful than the gpu in the ps3, as far as I understood it, sony went with it this way since they figured that making specialised cpu cores to take over from the gpu would get them more performance and better frame rate, and indeed when things can be done directly in the cpu hardware things get real fast.

The thing about specialised cpu cores are that they are insanely more difficult to code for than generalised ones, like the cores the xbox360 has. In this industry I think we can say that
difficulty = added project development time. And development time is insanely expensive these days, So if publishers like EA (which sadly enough) is driving a large part of the games industry gets the option of making a game for the xbox360, which they can have done in a year or two, or making a game for the PS3 and spend maybe two to three years on the same project, its becomes easier to convince shareholders that launching on the xobx and reaping the profits from that sale while porting to the PS3 is the better thing to do.

On top of this the Cell processor is in it's infancy where the powerpc cpu has been around the block for quite some time, this meaning that compilers and programmers are used to working with this cpu, wouldn't suprise me if the early compilers for the cell processor still has some baby teething issues complicating matters further.

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14. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 11:15 Tango
 
No games though, would just run Folding@Home on it 24/7
Out of interest can you actually do that?

 
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15. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 12:06 Phaint
 
Are you guys including the new 360 ELITE system in your specs? Is the normal xbox 360 the one with the slightly better graphics card or is it the new 360?

Frankly I was disappointed with what happened with the PS3, Ps1 and 2 have basically dominated in having the best games of their gens. Plus its cost is insane...

I'd only get a 360 for gears of war, and probably if they come out with a new Ninja Gaiden game which I'm sure they will. Wii is the best one out imo...

 
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16. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 12:24 Smoove
 
Tango:

Yeah, there was a recent update for the system that lets you run folding@home on it. I don't have a PS3 to tell you if it's worth anything, but I know it's possible.

 
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17. No subject Apr 15, 2007, 13:01 TB
 
The PS3 and 360 GPUs are almost exactly the same speed, 360s has a few advantages but nothing to make any major difference, however the PS3s CPU is much faster than the 360s and youll find more than a few devlopers talking about it. The benefit of the Cell being as fast as it is means that additional pre-processing can be done on the gfx data which allows the RSX to push more polygons than it could by itself while still having plenty of CPU to run games. The Biggest benefit tho is PS3 has virtualy unlimited space for games while the 360 is already close to its max limit, just 1 year on.

 
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18. Re: Apr 15, 2007, 13:13 Rseman
 
In many ways I've been really happy with our purchase of a 360 and Wii. The 360 has more games that I like to play and the Wii is loved by the better half and kids. It's a win win for our family.
But, no matter how much Microsoft has improved their warranty, improved Live and matching up MSN to Live with Vista, which will be good for Bankshot Billiards if nothing else. You cannot escape how pissed you'll be if your 360 dies and if you're one of those poor bastards who has a nightmare of a time trying to get it sorted out.
We've just been told they can't sort the problem out with our Live account, so please setup a new 'Silver Account' and we'll credit you with the points to cover all your Premium content purchased. All the games played to reach a point of unlocking content, all the gamer points they make such a big deal about and achievments earned...... gone. Not to mention we have to use a new name when we quite liked the one we had, plus the fact we pay for a Gold account, so I have to call this time and suffer someone to find out when they'll be remimbursing me for the $80.00 we pay a year for a gold account we no longer have.
Much of what makes the 360 the best console out there in my opinion is also completely worthless when the thing dies and your account gets fucked up on their end along with it and all that time spent is gone via a design fault.
I still hate Sony enough not to ever touch a PS3, but I certainly don't recommend a 360 to anyone without all these dire warnings now.
Our Wii, which gets used almost every damn day, is still operating flawlessly. Too bad they're in such short supply over there or I'd heartily endorse it for anyone;P

 
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19. ... Apr 15, 2007, 14:16 theyarecomingforyou
 
The Biggest benefit tho is PS3 has virtualy unlimited space for games while the 360 is already close to its max limit, just 1 year on.
What a load of bullshit.

The PS3 and 360 GPUs are almost exactly the same speed
The GPU of the X360 is more powerful because Microsoft approached ATi early on in development and got a optimised part, whereas Sony called in nVidia after discovering that their Cell architecture wasn't up to graphics and nVidia had to give them a more generic and less optimised solution.

however the PS3s CPU is much faster than the 360s and youll find more than a few devlopers talking about it.
Yes, but the memory bandwidth is much less and the data output of the Blu-Ray player is actually much slower than that of the X360's DVD player. It's like hyping up the N64 being 64bit but ignoring that it was crippled by the cartridge system. I'm not saying the PS3 is crippled but I am saying that it has many disadvantages in others areas, including being difficult to code for.

At the end of the day it's about what the games are like and the PS3 is failing in that department - there is very little of interest and AAA titles are pretty much non-existent. Sony should have had some blockbuster launch titles, particularly considering the delay (which was even greater here in Europe). They should have bought some game studios, like Microsoft did with Bungie, rather than take a risk and end up in the situation they are now. Even GTA, a series that was always Playstation exclusive, is being launched on X360. Then you have the AAAA title that is Halo 3 for X360 - Sony has nothing in that league. Sony needs to get its act together. I think that it includes a Blu-Ray drive is great and a real plus but when the gaming side is so poor it's hard to justify the expense.

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20. Re: I'd buy one Apr 15, 2007, 16:04 Bet
 
Tango:

Yeah, there was a recent update for the system that lets you run folding@home on it. I don't have a PS3 to tell you if it's worth anything, but I know it's possible.


It's worth a fair amount. The processing is powerful, but limited, so they brute force it on the Cell instead of manipulating it on typical processor. It's not elegant but it works fairly well. The F@H GPU client running on a $300 ATI card is better yet than a Cell, which goes to show even old video cards still have a lot of life left in them.

If they ever update the GPU client so it runs on the far superior Geforce 8800s and (theoretically) R600s, individual user points are going to EXPLODE. They won't be able to generate work units at a pace enough to satisfy those monsters.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the current GPU clients as well as the PS3 client are limited in the work units they can take on. That's the big downside. And with the new SMP client for multi-core PC processors, even dual-cores end up getting more points per day than either the PS3 or GPU clients, which could just be temporary.

Everyone's waiting anxiously for the DX10 GPU clients.

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