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Obliviondownloads.com is now online (thanks Shacknews), offering sales of in-game items for Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. They have a couple of items listed as "coming soon," and are offering their first item, the same horse armor that was released for the 360 version on the Xbox Live Marketplace. We tried to calculate the amortized cost of a full expansion based on the item's $1.99 sale price, but it broke our calculator. We're not the only ones struck by this, Gamers With Jobs has a Q&A with Bethesda Softworks' Pete Hines examining the justifications for this, learning, among other things, that this actually has nothing to do with expansion plans: "This has nothing to do with what we might or might not do with an expansion."

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82. Re: No subject Apr 7, 2006, 00:52 Slink
 
awww, thanks! :-)

 
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81. Re: No subject Apr 6, 2006, 16:48 Sepharo
 
Awesome slinky...

You should seriously do that for a living... Like you know, a stand-up gamer comedian.

GO PERFORM AT PAX

 
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80. No subject Apr 6, 2006, 11:48 Slink
 
An overheard conversation at Bethesda a few months prior to the game's release...

Bethesda Executive: So, update me. How’s Oblivion coming?
Oblivion Lead Designer: So far, so good. Unfortunately, though, we’re over budget.
Executive: Over budget? Well, we’re gonna have to see about cutting some corners then.
Designer: I agree. We pretty much got everything in, though. Graphics, most of the quests, housing, horses, the towns, horse armor, guilds, the works. We’re just finishing up now.
Executive: Great! Anything else?
Designer: Yeah, we just brought in our PC Optimization Team. Right now we’re still using the UI of the X-box version, along with some really bad LOD textures we had to throw in there that we actually got from Quake 1. But don’t worry, the team is going to fix all of that.
Executive: Excellent! Fire them.
Designer: What? Why?
Executive: Well, you said we’re overbudget. We can do without them. Trust me, they did this with that second Deus Ex game. And no one even noticed!
Designer: Sir, that game was pretty bad-
Executive: Nonsense! It’ll be fine. Next?
Designer: Uh… the Radiant AI. Yeah, heh, it’s a little bit harder than we thought.
Executive: Oh man. What can the AI do right now?
Designer: Well… they can walk around and stuff. But nothing we really promised. But we’re working on it!
Executive: Forget it. Trust me, the players won’t even be looking at the AI. They’ll be so fascinated with the graphics that they’ll forget they’re even in a game! You have the deer in already, right?
Designer: Yeah, the deer are in right now.
Executive: Good! We’ll just make a huge deal about that and everything will think our AI is great. “Look, we have DEER!” We can also script up some video and make everyone think that our AI is tremendous.
Designer: Well, if you say so. Now, about the voice actors.
Executive: Yes! We did get Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean, right?
Designer: Yes sir, we did. Two of our designers had to sell their first born children, and one of our sound artists actually had to sell his soul, but we got them!
Executive: That’s so cool. Imagine, you’re in the game, and you go talk to Patrick Stewart anytime you want-
Designer: Ten minutes.
Executive: Ten minutes? What?
Designer: Yeah, he’s only in the game for about ten minutes. Maybe twenty, if you stretch it enough.
Executive: Oh, man. I guess we can still make a big deal of him being in it though. Well, we still got Bean, right?
Designer: Yeah, him we managed to get for the whole game. That’s why the guy had to sell his soul. Agents are a [censored], you know.
Executive: Right on. Now, I noticed we got a lot of NPCs in the game, so I figure we have about thirty actors, right?
Designer: Kinda. More like five.
Executive: Five actors?
Designer: Yeah. But don’t worry, they can do different accents. It’ll be fine. We think the player would never actually notice it.
Executive: Well, as long as you say so. Now, what about patches?
Designer: Patches?
Executive: Good answer. So, anything else?
Designer: Not really. But we’re still heavily over budget. We have to get a lot more money for this game.
Executive: Really? Wow. Well… wait, you said horse armor was already in the game?
Designer: Yep, it’s fully functional.
Executive: I think I have an idea…


 
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79. No subject Apr 6, 2006, 11:21 Ecthelion
 
Don't be so smug over paying $50 for your PC games. Your time will come. With the cost of next-gen games on the rise, your PC titles will soon be $60 too. It's only a matter of time.
Bullshit. People have been saying that for years now, and so far the only ones we've seen over $50 were NWN and Warcraft 3 (there may be a few others that I don't recall). Console games, on the other hand, have always been more, at least since the time of the N64. I believe they were over $50 on release even before that, but I don't remember.

New PC games have averaged $50 since the days of X-Wing, and in all of those years, the price hasn't changed. There's no reason to assume it will anytime soon.

Game development costs have gone up, but it's not because a "next-gen" game instantly doubles the development cost or something. I'd wager it has more to do with increased labor costs, increased advertising costs, etc. There were older games that had huge voice talent (one of the bigger costs for a game if I'm not mistaken) - such as Star Trek: A Final Unity - and yet they managed to stay at the $50 price point.

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78. Re: No subject Apr 6, 2006, 09:09 nin
 
Then update your drivers may be? I have 6x AA on, disant landscape, building, and tress on, bloom effect on, etc. No stutters.

I get better performance out of Oblivion that I ever did out of Morrowind...

You don't need a beast of a computer to enjoy this game...I'm surprised, but happy.



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77. Re: No subject Apr 6, 2006, 00:19 Gandhi
 
If by "creamy smoothness" you mean 10-20 fps, then sure. For me, creamy smoothness means 60+ fps constant. I have an X1900XTX and I don't get 60+ fps constant, even at 1024x768.

Then update your drivers may be? I have 6x AA on, disant landscape, building, and tress on, bloom effect on, etc. No stutters.

Dunno what my FPS is, but then again this is not Quake or UT deathmatch I am playing here, just a single player RPG. I could care less about FPS as long as I dont get stuttering, which I dont.

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76. Re: No subject Apr 5, 2006, 22:39 Jarek Forhanon
 
Playing on a computer I built in Fall 2003, upgraded graphics card last year to X800XT, rest all the same. Creamy smoothness at 1024x768, everything maxxed.

If by "creamy smoothness" you mean 10-20 fps, then sure. For me, creamy smoothness means 60+ fps constant. I have an X1900XTX and I don't get 60+ fps constant, even at 1024x768.

 
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75. Re: Corporate rape Apr 5, 2006, 22:05 MyRealName
 
Anyway, it would all be a moot point IF bthesda had released (or was planning to release) a mesh importer/exporter, which they have stated that the they can't/won't, due to licencing issues with Havok.

Did they? Wow that's pretty sad. It looks like a clear case of not wanting to look as bad as they did when the Morrowind community trounced their models with such authority that it was embarrassing.

Anyway, if they don't release, some slick hacker will throw together a tool.

As far as personal feeling on the $2 thing goes. They have every right to do so, and the business end to back it up. I think what bothers me about it is summed up like this:

"World receives Oblivion with huge accolades! Reviews, both 'pro' and gamer, praise the game! Fans line up and pre-order, anything they can do to get the game faster! It sells in droves!!!"

Bethesda's big "Thank you" to the community?

"Here's some armor we obviously had for the release but withheld so we could release it later. That'll be $2, please. Yes, we know we gave out half a dozen free mods for Morrowind! That'll be $2, please."

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74. Re: No subject Apr 5, 2006, 19:11 MacD
 
I'm playing with more than 20 fps on an intel 2.6c, a gig'o'ram and a 9800pro at 1024x768. Some ini hacking (fixing the grass settings, enabling more threads and allowing some threads to spawn on my second processor, etc etc etc).

Couple that with the new highres LOD textures (plus fixed LOD normal maps), the UI fixes etc, my game looks lots better than the xbox360, even without HDR. In a month I'll get an agp 7800 for $200 and the game (and all others) will look even better than that.

And I'm not even commenting on the extra content, the fixes to game mechanics (like better scvaling, fixing the flood of deadric armour etc) and other mods which pop out.

 
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73. Re: I'm All For It Apr 5, 2006, 19:03 MacD
 
No he didn't. He didn't even say something which could be misinterpreted like that. Why are you blatantly lying?

 
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72. No subject Apr 5, 2006, 18:26 Fillem
 
well, since people started posting it on the OFFICIAL FORUMS to download it's all over the interweb now...  
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71. Re: Corporate rape Apr 5, 2006, 18:25 MacD
 
Right back at ya, Sponge.

Fact is that voting with your dollars is an ineffectual form of protest as long as Bethesda find more than 300 suckers to pay for their mod.

The internet stink raised however is a much better form of protest, one which is more likely to work against the nickel-and-diming bethesda is trying to do here.

Anyway, it would all be a moot point IF bthesda had released (or was planning to release) a mesh importer/exporter, which they have stated that the they can't/won't, due to licencing issues with Havok.

 
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70. Re: Bend over Apr 5, 2006, 18:15 MacD
 
That's assuming we'll ever get a working /nif importer/exporter. At the moment there's some interesting stuff happening with the Civ4 nif exporter, but it can't handle collisions in oblivion very well (because Bethesda uses some kind of custom Havok hookup).

Without a mesh importer/exporter, most mods dont have a hope in hell of even getting off the ground.

 
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69. Re: Cost of downloads and other stuff... Apr 5, 2006, 17:17 Taulin
 
I am along the lines of a horse mod not being worth $2. I think it's great Beths is selling quality mods along side free community mods, but they need to work on the value-price ratio.


 
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68. Re: Retort Apr 5, 2006, 17:02 Sepharo
 
Thank you BurntSoul.

My PC is 3 years old and before it's DVD drive ever touched the Oblivion disk it had played hundreds of games... I put Oblivion in it and it runs it just fine great graphics, great fps. In my situation it's like I didn't pay for the hardware I play Oblivion with at all. I just bought the 50 dollar game and started playing. I say the hardware didn't cost me anything because it in my opinion had already paid for itself admirably over 3 years of enjoyment.

Whenever console fan boys want to bash PC's they talk about these huge hardware costs and whatnot. But what they forget is that most of us PC fans are not literally "building" our PC for one game. We have our PCs and to us they don't need to be added into the calculation of total game playability cost. The same could be argued for consoles I suppose but such is not the case with the 360 and Oblivion. Oblivion is essentially a launch title for the 360. If you want to play Oblivion on a 360 you must first buy the 360. This sounds pretty verbose but it's true... I don't have a 360, so if I wished to play Oblivion I'd have to buy one first and on the other hand I've had a computer for 3 years. And it's certainly not quad sli

 
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67. Retort Apr 5, 2006, 15:55 BurntSoul
 
Okay, Quaternion - let's break down what you deny you wrote:

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I create this information from other people who are bitching about the PC's performance on a 6800, not out of thin air. These comments were on Blues a week or so ago. I haven't seen it first hand on a PC, so my comment was generated from second hand information.
If you haven't seen it first hand, then how can you make decisions for other people? A great number of comments that are on this site are negative in nature. No need to add to it. I believe (yes, my own opinion, not someone else's) that there are tons of people completely happy - and you will NOT see a comment from them because they have nothing to bitch about!

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Don't be so smug over paying $50 for your PC games. Your time will come.
Yeah, you are trashing the guy, over the money thing. I said I could care less about it.

3. Your statements imply to the casual reader that you'll need to spend waaaay more money on a PC to enjoy Oblivion. Read what you wrote a few times. See it yet?

4. You state that even after spending alot of money on the PC you've built, you'd likely have hardware problems.
And even then, I'd still get crashes and hardware compatibility issues.
Hmmm, does that statement really mean getting Oblivion for the PC is pointless? That's what I got out of it. Do not deny what you wrote! In effect, you are implying the game will suck from a PC perspective. Rubbish.

This is not the case, folks. The only thing you need to be logical about is whether you really want to spend money building a new computer if all you are going to do on it is play just Oblivion, or any other game for that matter. There is more to it than games when it comes to PCs, folks.

5. Nope, I agree. He shouldn't be calling people fools. He's seems to act like a 360 Console hater - but I could be wrong...

6. All of the above statements really come down to comparing a console box to a PC computer - with the use of computer games as your literary device, and saying that the 360 is better in this case. Though PCs and Consoles are getting closer and closer to becoming the same thing, it hasn't happened yet. Apples to Oranges.

As soon as the 360 gets a mouse, a keyboard, has a respectable Hard Drive and RAM, can surf anywhere on the Internet (without having to hack the box), allows me to send email and Instant message anyone on a PC (or a console), allows me to create and print documents, do my bills and taxes and buy all types of products online, as well as letting me expand it with my own choice of 3rd party hardware, it's just not as good as a PC yet.

7. You do NOT need an Nvidia 7800 or a SLI/ Quad SLI configuration to play the game with reasonable framerates. What you said was an outright fabrication.

8. No pissing matches please. I've been 'playing online' since I had a 300 baud modem (yes, 300 baud - before Prodigy and the Sierra network) and could dial into Bulletin Board systems to play those stupid text games. No, I'm not proud about that either...

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Not having played the game on PC doesn't mean I don't know one end of a computer from another.
Nope, it doesn't. It just reads that way. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

PS: Finally, based on my beliefs and the resources that I currently have, I believe that buying a 360 console and Obvlion - in order to play on it as opposed to a PC - is foolish.
Why should I spend $400+ for a console in order to play a game, when I can play it just as easily and problem free on my PC?

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66. Cost of downloads and other stuff... Apr 5, 2006, 15:04 BurntSoul
 
My opinion on the downloads:

If this is the way they want to handle it, so be it. The people will make the final decision. The people with consoles really don't have much of a choice do they (if they do, someone tell me - 'cause I have no idea)? So if it's a little mod for $1.99 like horse armor - whatever, no biggee. It is nice that the 360 community should have something to choose from in the future. Anyway, lot's of people will think $2 sucks for a price. Some people may want to show off their horse 'cause they like the Role-playing style more than others - and because it's an 'official mod'. Fine by me.

I think some people like mods that are 'official' because that may mean (to the buyer) the mod is (hopefully) tested and will be a high quality piece of work as opposed to community made quality. If they want to live a sheltered life, that's fine - it's not my $$$! Now, if you get 3 new areas with 10 quests, some new weapons and some new spells, how much would you pay then? $5.99? $9.99? If it got great reviews, would you spend the cash? That's probably as high as I'd buy for an 'official' online mod.

NeverWinter Nights (Bioware) did it, and I believe they are successful because the mods they created were definitely high quality work. However, I will admit their modules are selling cheaper and play much longer than a $2 horse armor mod...

I think Bethesda is looking for extra $$$ with these smallish mods mainly from the 360 console community, because they know that the PC community could whip this stuff up for free in a few hours. Seriously. I mean, there are PC mods already out for the game and it's been only 2 weeks...

...So they are following the business model that Bioware have created. Okay. We get it.

Now, understand that the (PC) Bioware community have made FAR more mods and modules than Bioware (NeverWinter Nights) could ever possibly imagine when they first created the game!!

That said, Bioware has proven that it can sell expansion packs and single modules alongside the huge, free community offering.

The free stuff isn't going away people. It's just going to sit along side the pay stuff. Bethesda gave the PC community the tools to do what they want. I do not believe they will pull the rug out from their client base to force people to buy only their mods...

 
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65. Re: No subject Apr 5, 2006, 15:01 Quaternion
 
I create this information from other people who are bitching about the PC's performance on a 6800, not out of thin air. These comments were on Blues a week or so ago. I haven't seen it first hand on a PC, so my comment was generated from second hand information.

I'm definitely not trashing the game. I don't see where you got that information. I'm enjoying the game. And I'm certainly not trashing the PC, since I've been doing 99% of my gaming on PC's for well over 10 years. I'm also not trashing the guy. You'll notice him calling people "fools" while I did no such thing. I simply showed him the other side of the coin, which isn't that "foolish".

Not having played the game on PC doesn't mean I don't know one end of a computer from another.

As for the cost of games. $60 PC games are coming to a GameStop near you RealSoon(tm).

 
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64. Re: No subject Apr 5, 2006, 14:48 Gandhi
 
On the other hand, I would need to buy or build an Alienware level PC to play Oblivion at the same level as my $400 xbox 360. And even then, I'd still get crashes and hardware compatibility issues. That extra $10 sure seems small compared to the extra $1500+ I'd have to spend on the PC hardware.

When you need a 7800 to play the game at a reasonable framerate, that's a problem. I'm not getting dual or quad SLI just to play this game on my PC.

Playing on a computer I built in Fall 2003, upgraded graphics card last year to X800XT, rest all the same. Creamy smoothness at 1024x768, everything maxxed. I am happy, and dont need to play on a quad SLI system.

Edit: And lets not forget all those wonderful free mods out there. Barely explored the world and already have more then a dozen quality FREE mods installed. Try that on the 360.


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63. Re: No subject Apr 5, 2006, 14:31 BurntSoul
 
On the other hand, I would need to buy or build an Alienware level PC to play Oblivion at the same level as my $400 xbox 360. And even then, I'd still get crashes and hardware compatibility issues. That extra $10 sure seems small compared to the extra $1500+ I'd have to spend on the PC hardware.

That's funny, I didn't have to build an Alienware level PC. I didn't spend a penny. My computer is about 2 years old. I also have zero hardware and/or compatibility issues. When I built my machine, I didn't have to spend $1500, either. Not only that, but I'm hitting 30 FPS or higher 'outside' and 50 or higher 'inside' at 1280x960 with most settings on the heavy side. That's plenty playable to me.

It's okay to blast the guy about the $50-$60 thing. I could care less about that. However, don't trash the game, PCs or the guy because you don't know one end of a computer from another.

Dual or Quad SLI... are you on smack?

Why is it people create this bogus information? Lies do not help substantiate your story, my friend.

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