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Dec 7, 2010, 11:01
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If my original post felt like an attack to people, then I'm sorry. It's never really my intention but I've learned that I really lack subtlety in expressing my opinion (not just in English, fyi ;)).

I think it's obvious by now that I don't like religion much at all but I've realized that there's simply no use in expressing it. It's just that I agree with a quote from, here it comes, Stephen King (!!) so much that it almost feel like betraying myself if I'm not expressing my opinion in full power. But in doing so, I'm just as much a zealot as others.

"Politics and religion. The two things made up by man for the sole reason to bash eachother's head in and get away with it."
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Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Nov 17, 2010, 17:56:
I consider a "fuck you" straight to the face way less offending than "What a horribly disgusting and extremely ignorant statement." kinda crap comment. But what the hell. I guess I can understand the removal. Always had a problem with people wrapping their fucked up and assaulting comments in silken cloth. Prolly a reason why I can't stand 95% of the politicians.

He rightfully called you out on your blanket damnation of an entire religion, which is disgusting. Your comment was ignorant of the freedoms we enjoy in the U.S. and the facts of the 9/11 terrorist attack. And it was dishonest because it has nothing to do with "political correctness" or "money" "breaking boundaries".

You chose to respond with a personal attack.



The Nazis were abhorrent not the Christian religion they killed in the name of, just as Al-Qaeda is abhorrent not the Islamic religion they kill in the name of.
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I consider a "fuck you" straight to the face way less offending than "What a horribly disgusting and extremely ignorant statement." kinda crap comment. But what the hell. I guess I can understand the removal. Always had a problem with people wrapping their fucked up and assaulting comments in silken cloth. Prolly a reason why I can't stand 95% of the politicians.
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Nov 17, 2010, 14:28
 
..? What the hell is this about? Any reasons on why my comment is removed? You didn't agree with me on this sensitive matter, Blues? I don't really get it. I honestly don't. What's your beef?

Seriously? Did you forget already what you wrote, or are you unaware of the minimal rules here?

You started off with:

Although a big "fuck you" right back at ya, elefunk.

And wrapped up with:

One last thing for elefuck

The middle of your post may have made for a delicious sandwich, but you enclosed it in some "delete me" bread. I'm really flabbergasted that you needed to ask why this was a problem.
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..? What the hell is this about? Any reasons on why my comment is removed? You didn't agree with me on this sensitive matter, Blues? I don't really get it. I honestly don't. What's your beef?

What I said in short:

Elefunk, you're the one with the insulting demeanor here. Also, if I would've lived in or nearby NY.. I would've certainly helped the people in need.

Also, my opinion has swayed a bit. I now think that any religious building near the side would be ridiculous and, most importantly, unnessecary.

As for the question where I'm from: I'm from The Hague. Saying that you find people spamming the word "kanker" interesting got my eyebrow raised. It's a word any intelligent, polite Dutch person doesn't use in public unless it's used when people are actually talking about the true definition of the word -- which simply is "cancer" -- because in Holland it weights as a very bad cussing word.
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Aug 30, 2010, 17:38
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Aug 30, 2010, 17:38
 
It's not on ground zero and I don't believe it is even a mosque, it's and islamic center and prayer rooms.

But hey, keep saying "Mosque @ ground zero" Foxnews loves it.

It's more "disrespectful" to flying remote control UAV and kill wedding parties in the name of those who die. imho.
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Aug 28, 2010, 13:01
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Rattlehead wrote on Aug 27, 2010, 21:13:
There's a hundred thousand other sites to build a mosque at in NYC, why next to ground zero?

It's disrespectful, whether a mosque, synagogue, dojo, shrine, church, cathedral, Applebees, or whatever.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, but building a place of worship, especially next to the site where thousands of people got killed by terrorists, is just rude. They should be building a WTC museum or memorial or something.
It's only "disrespectful" if you think that Islam = terrorism.

Bullshit on your presumption that if this was a Church or Applebees, people would care. Especially considering how much other empty, shallow shit there is around there on "sacred ground".


It's two fucking blocks away. Do you really know jack shit about what you're talking about here?
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Aug 28, 2010, 02:21
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Aug 28, 2010, 02:21
 
Rattlehead wrote on Aug 27, 2010, 21:13:
There's a hundred thousand other sites to build a mosque at in NYC, why next to ground zero?

It's disrespectful, whether a mosque, synagogue, dojo, shrine, church, cathedral, Applebees, or whatever.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, but building a place of worship, especially next to the site where thousands of people got killed by terrorists, is just rude. They should be building a WTC museum or memorial or something.

Are you under the impression that this is like on top of ground zero or something? Do you suggest that they raze all the surrounding buildings and nothing is ever built there?

You do know it's a few blocks away right? And that there's already a mosque that predates the WTC four blocks away.

Here's an image of where it's located in relation.

Also there's at least 5 new towers planned/under construction at the site:

WTC 1
WTC 2
WTC 3
WTC 4
WTC 5

Tower 7 is already rebuilt
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Aug 27, 2010, 21:13
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Aug 27, 2010, 21:13
 
There's a hundred thousand other sites to build a mosque at in NYC, why next to ground zero?

It's disrespectful, whether a mosque, synagogue, dojo, shrine, church, cathedral, Applebees, or whatever.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, but building a place of worship, especially next to the site where thousands of people got killed by terrorists, is just rude. They should be building a WTC museum or memorial or something.
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Aug 27, 2010, 18:07
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Eldaron Imotholin wrote on Aug 7, 2010, 07:18:
Hey there folks.

As some of you might've realized by now: I'm Dutch. Still, I couldn't believe my eyes when I read about the green light that was given to build the mosque (& muslim center) nearby Ground Zero. I, like many others, think it's an insult to not only America but the whole western society.

It's scary to see what boundaries can be broken with money. This is not the time to be politically correct.

I would not have protested against the build of a cathedral nearby Ground Zero, but neither would I have supported it. After all, religion is what killed all those people in the first place. But a mosque..!? I am without words. I'm interested in what how you guys feel and hope this topic doesn't have to errupt into a flame-war.
What a horribly disgusting and extremely ignorant statement. More Muslims were INNOCENT VICTIMS who DIED on 9/11 in these attacks than even thought about perpetrating these acts. Muslims did more to help rescue survivors than you did, that's for sure. You don't live in New York, you haven't a fucking clue what Islam is about, and your opinion on the matter is insulting, dishonest, and is representative of the worst ignorance regularly seen on Fox News.
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Aug 19, 2010, 09:36
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What part of the Netherlands Eldaron? We had a few Dutch guys here in Japan, and they were interesting, though 2 of them kept yelling the word "KANGAR" far too often...

As for how I feel about it? It's a mixture, as shared by several other posters here. On the one hand, we have freedom of religion and expression in America, and yet on the other, it seems rather insensitive and rash to build a mosque given the current climate. One might argue that the given climate is the exact reason it should be constructed, but I fear that some people will react venomously.

Ultimately I agree with Seph, I hope that people in NY can show they're the better man in this situation and not vent their spleen on what I consider to be an ill-timed decision.
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FYI, those deleted comments were spam, and unrelated to the topic at hand.
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I see no problem with this as Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11.
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Agreed.

I think the idea is a bit brash and stupid, even if I understand the mosque's point of view.

But I don't think it should be stopped. Not at all. I'm fully in support of it, even if I think it's a bit dumb.

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Our constitution grants and protects rights for neo-Nazis and KKK why shouldn't it also cover the second largest religion in the world.

It's disappointing that the organization attempting to build the mosque couldn't/won't empathize with the people of New York but here they (NYers) have the chance to be the "bigger man" about this and show them what America is actually about: Freedom. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

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Aug 7, 2010, 07:18
 
Hey there folks.

As some of you might've realized by now: I'm Dutch. Still, I couldn't believe my eyes when I read about the green light that was given to build the mosque (& muslim center) nearby Ground Zero. I, like many others, think it's an insult to not only America but the whole western society.

It's scary to see what boundaries can be broken with money. This is not the time to be politically correct.

I would not have protested against the build of a cathedral nearby Ground Zero, but neither would I have supported it. After all, religion is what killed all those people in the first place. But a mosque..!? I am without words. I'm interested in what how you guys feel and hope this topic doesn't have to errupt into a flame-war.
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