And I really don't see how game developers adjusting their prices deals with the issue of used games. Used games will always be cheaper than new games, at which point you'd still bitch about the same thing and still buy the cheaper used copy anyway.

I've picked up plenty of new games that were sold by developers (maybe all the money goes to Publishers at this point...) who priced their product accordingly. Steam sells tons of new games online thanx to their amazing sales. Impulse sells new games online. Good Old Games sells new games online.

Lets see the new games I've purchased are:

IL-1946
Beyond Good and Evil
World of Goo
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
Stalker (I bought one copy used AND ANOTHER NEW COPY)
Supreme Commander Expansion
Xcom (all of them)
Clash of Titans (Impulse)

What don't you get? All those games were sold for prices that were competitive with used game sales and WAY WAY after their initial release. The reason used game sales don't benefit some developers is because they foolishly keep their old games priced too high.

It's supply and demand. Some companies get it, some don't. Good riddance to the companies that can't see the writing on the wall. All those used game sales I made were dollars that could have gone to the developers/publishers if they'd charged a reasonable price. They want to charge a premium for "new". Fine keep on doing that. But don't come here trying to argue that used game sales hurt developers/publishers. It's like saying a hot pan is hurting your hand when you touch it over and over again. It's a hot fucking pan, put on a oven mit genius. Adapt or die.

This comment was edited on May 19, 2009, 12:16.

LOL. What a bunch of BS. Used game sales have made it possible for me to play great games like Company of Heroes, Supreme Commander, Stalker, World in Conflict, as well as purchase expansion packs like the one for Supreme Commander. I've also bought GTA4 used, star Trek Legacy, Dead Rising...

I could go one for a long time, but the point is that used game sales have made all this possible. New games sales are a rip off. Just like new car sales are a rip off. Sell your shit for a fair price and you'll get a lot more customers. There is nothing stopping used games sales from benefiting the developers they just need to adjust the price of their game based on demand. Used game sales do this, you don't. What hurts the industry is price fixing. I can't tell you how much software I've passed on that was overpriced. (For a variety of reasons) Price your software fairly and people will buy it. This sometimes means dropping the price a month after you initially sell it.

Why is it BS? Publishers and developers make no money on used game sales. Congratulations on the games you got to play, but none of the money you spent to do it made it back to the people who use that money to produce the games... they don't stay in business because you played their game, they stay in business because people buy them, and unlike car sales they don't get to make money selling you parts down the road for the used car you own.

And I really don't see how game developers adjusting their prices deals with the issue of used games. Used games will always be cheaper than new games, at which point you'd still bitch about the same thing and still buy the cheaper used copy anyway.

Welcome to the new, and improved, WAL*MART!

I am very familiar with Wal-Mart's inner workings. If EA really pissed off Wal-Mart, EA would be out of business the second Wal-Mart told them they would no longer sell their games.

In the world of retail, you don't upset Wal-Mart. They are a 9000 pound gorilla.

Used game sales proliferating and becoming a larger factor isn't a good thing for us (gamers) in the long run.

LOL. What a bunch of BS. Used game sales have made it possible for me to play great games like Company of Heroes, Supreme Commander, Stalker, World in Conflict, as well as purchase expansion packs like the one for Supreme Commander. I've also bought GTA4 used, star Trek Legacy, Dead Rising...

I could go one for a long time, but the point is that used game sales have made all this possible. New games sales are a rip off. Just like new car sales are a rip off. Sell your shit for a fair price and you'll get a lot more customers. There is nothing stopping used games sales from benefiting the developers they just need to adjust the price of their game based on demand. Used game sales do this, you don't. What hurts the industry is price fixing. I can't tell you how much software I've passed on that was overpriced. (For a variety of reasons) Price your software fairly and people will buy it. This sometimes means dropping the price a month after you initially sell it.

This comment was edited on May 18, 2009, 19:54.

Fair use laws?

I don't think anyone's arguing it's illegal. Well, I'm sure someone is, but since you post here you already know there's plenty of wackos and idiots out there.

I think it's something to consider at this point, though, that the largest specialty retailer for the hobby is a pawn shop in all but name. Now other major retailers are looking to get in on that as well. Amazon's doing it already, too. How much damage is going to be done to the hobby and game developers before it comes to a head?

I'm not personally concerned with EA's paycheck. What does worry me, though, is that they don't get one and it affects the money that potentially gets put into designing new games, or better ones. Used game sales proliferating and becoming a larger factor isn't a good thing for us (gamers) in the long run.

looks like we've entered the age of Robo-Fence.

I'm surprised to see anyone trying to do an automated trade in system. I would think this kind of thing would attract a lot of fraud. You make a copy of a certain disc, insert it into machine and poof, you have $30-$60 to spend at Walmart...

Or you have a disc that just stopped working, it's scratched, by the machine for whatever reason will take it...so poof, $30-$60 in credit?

The DVD rental machines in grocery stores seemed crazy to me at first...so maybe this will work too...

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Why shouldn't they bitch?

Fair use laws?

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Why shouldn't they bitch?

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Creston

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