3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer

Shacknews has a statement from Scott Miller of 3D Realms, responding to rumors that they turned down a $30 million dollar offer from Take-Two for the Duke Nukem property, which would have funded the completion of development of Duke Nukem Forever. According to Miller no such deal was proposed, and if it had been they "would have taken this offer without hesitation."
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 18, 2009, 02:41
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 18, 2009, 02:41
May 18, 2009, 02:41
 
Nobody REALLY cares that DNF is never going to see the light of day, and it really has nothing to do with fanboyism.


If that were true, how does one explain all the fuss? If there weren't so many fanbois and people who really were waiting with bated breath for DNF to come out, the title would've went way with as much noise as Amen: The Awakening.

The crime, in this instance, was failing, on an epic level, to complete the production of a computer game

LOL! Take 2 sees it as a crime as well! Millions of dollars that turned more into a defaulted loan than invested capital, I'd be pissed too.

This comment was edited on May 18, 2009, 02:48.
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May 17, 2009, 23:06
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 23:06
May 17, 2009, 23:06
 
Oh please. That is a ridiculous hypothesis. Nobody cares or cared about DNF. Nobody was on the edge of their chair waiting for it to come out. This whole fiasco is just dumb, and everybody is just making fun of 3DR for being a load of bullshit that never came true. Nobody REALLY cares that DNF is never going to see the light of day, and it really has nothing to do with fanboyism.

Blanket statements are fun... Duke3d was the second game I ever played on a Windows computer right after Doom and it was the one that hooked me to computer gaming in general, so yeah I care.

People need to stop being such brats about this. Yeah they kept us waiting forever and fucked up in the end... oh well shit happens.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 22:34
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 22:34
May 17, 2009, 22:34
 
Of course you don't get it because you're a Half-Life fanboy, not a Duke Nukem one.

Oh please. That is a ridiculous hypothesis. Nobody cares or cared about DNF. Nobody was on the edge of their chair waiting for it to come out. This whole fiasco is just dumb, and everybody is just making fun of 3DR for being a load of bullshit that never came true. Nobody REALLY cares that DNF is never going to see the light of day, and it really has nothing to do with fanboyism.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 21:38
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 21:38
May 17, 2009, 21:38
 
Yes, but don't worry. Genital Herpes is manageable with modern drugs I have read.

Yes, but i believe that Creston doesn't like controlling it.
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Re: Still waiting...
May 17, 2009, 11:38
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Re: Still waiting... May 17, 2009, 11:38
May 17, 2009, 11:38
 
My guess is George anticipated this action by TT and by the advice of his attorney is keeping quiet, which is the prudent thing to do until the dust settles.

Either that or will reply in 2021.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 09:27
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 09:27
May 17, 2009, 09:27
 
Creston has it.

Yes, but don't worry. Genital Herpes is manageable with modern drugs I have read.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 09:17
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 09:17
May 17, 2009, 09:17
 
I am surprised they are actually answering this stuff.I only expect to hear their usual answers of "Area 51" or "WID"(the lawsuit).
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May 17, 2009, 05:17
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 05:17
May 17, 2009, 05:17
 
The number of valid reasons people have to have an issue laced in hate with Bill Roper & Flagship is beyond staggering. Dades barely scratched the surface in his post. There is no "knocking someone down to make yourself feel superior" when it comes Bill & Flagship. If anything, it is the complete opposite. Bill screws over his customers, goes belly-up and then immediately gets a new job as a director at another company. It's like a double kick in the balls for Hellgate customers. He lies, cheats, steals...and is rewarded with a Director position at another company.

As for 3DR, I'm disappointed. I wasn't a regular supporter of 3DR, I'm sure there were many on the sites forums. I'm sure they have some valid reasons to be upset. Maybe a few of them aren't going about it, expressing their anger, in the right way if their hate is garnering this kind of attention and analysis from other people. Or maybe people should stop analyzing other people on the internet.

/analysis

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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 03:43
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 03:43
May 17, 2009, 03:43
 
This reminds me of the Hellgate/Bill Roper hatefest, some people are way too emotional

Flagship actively lied to the community about build quality and bug fixes during the beta test so people feeling betrayed there is 100% justified. I was in the Hellgate beta and personally submitted at least 50 bug reports and I would easily that 75% of them ended up in the retail game despite being moderately to extremely disruptive on the player experience. They would post on the forums constantly saying everything is already fixed in the next build but you guys are two versions behind and don't worry, everything will be fine! They also tacked a subscription plan onto the game despite the multiplayer barely being functional. Let's also not forget the lifetime sub fee and the ridiculous state the game was released in. Some guy posted a bug round up thread from beta after the retail launch went horribly, The vast majority of them were still active. Instead of fixing the bugs or at least commenting on it they simply banned him and many other people on the forums. Most of whom bought the game and a lifetime sub. Flagship was a bunch of dicks basically.

In the case of DNF people feel betrayed because they really liked the first game and any competent studio should have been able to churn out a Duke Nukem game in two years. Instead these guys rode the IP for 12 years then keeled over. I hope they do the right thing and sell the IP so that someone else can actually make the game that fans want to play. Duke isn't exactly Fallout 3 in terms of complexity, it should have never gotten to this point. That's why people are upset.

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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 01:50
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 01:50
May 17, 2009, 01:50
 
people like Martha Stewart, say, and then you have citizens rising up and baying for their blood, and you think, Well, wait a minute--what was their crime again?

You mean, Insider Trading? The thing that if YOU do it, you go to jail for it? Why should it be any different if you happen to be a celebrity?

There's too many instances of celebrities and/or athletes walking free in this country (well, and in many other countries too. Patrick Kluivert, a Dutch soccer player, basically manslaughtered/murdered two people, and got 100 hours of community service because the Dutch soccer team had to play in the European championships a month later), for people to NOT get pissed off about it.

So in the case of celebrities, Joe Schmoe wants to feel that the law busts EVERYONE who breaks it, not just those who can't afford a fancy lawyer. (even though that is the sad reality.)

As for 3DR, I dunno. I guess many people just feel like fools for defending Broussard for twelve years.

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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 17, 2009, 01:31
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 17, 2009, 01:31
May 17, 2009, 01:31
 

I don't get it either, sure I'm disappointed but some people feel betrayed way too much if you ask me. This reminds me of the Hellgate/Bill Roper hatefest, some people are way too emotional.


People, in general, want someone they can look down on. Someone perhaps in a position of relative power/prestige who has fallen by their own hand. Looking down on these people makes them feel superior.

It is a strange phenomenon. I mean, there are people who do stupid or immoral shit and deserve to be condemned to hell for it (a recent presidential administration comes to mind) but when you have these relatively harmless celebrities, people like Martha Stewart, say, and then you have citizens rising up and baying for their blood, and you think, Well, wait a minute--what was their crime again? Why do they deserve all this vitriol?

The crime, in this instance, was failing, on an epic level, to complete the production of a computer game. That's it, that is the crime. I think it is sad, and a waste, and entertaining all at the same time, but I bear no ill will to the people involved, because ultimately, on a scale of one to ten ... it just doesn't matter. I wish I could play DNF, I probably will never get to, and that is the only way this impacts me, and it is the only way it impacts most of the people posting about this.

Those of you who are ranting and raving about this shit .... really need to get out more.
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Re: Still waiting...
May 17, 2009, 01:04
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Re: Still waiting... May 17, 2009, 01:04
May 17, 2009, 01:04
 
My guess is George anticipated this action by TT and by the advice of his attorney is keeping quiet, which is the prudent thing to do until the dust settles.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 23:29
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 16, 2009, 23:29
May 16, 2009, 23:29
 
From the Shacknews article:

Take-Two and 3D Realms forged a second agreement regarding Duke Nukem Forever in 2007, claims the recent lawsuit, though details have yet to be made public and could very well be key to determining the outcome of the pending legal action.

So it appears that the lawsuit ITSELF is not based on the $12 million Take-Two paid to GT Interactive... although I guess TT is pissed about the 12 million... which has motivated them towards legal action.

As for whether 30 million was ever offered for the IP... George may have been acting alone and turned it down when he was seeking the 5 million to finish the game.

Who knows?

I'm sure a court battle will tell all.
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Still waiting...
May 16, 2009, 23:01
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Still waiting... May 16, 2009, 23:01
May 16, 2009, 23:01
 
...for an appearance by George Broussard.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 21:27
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 16, 2009, 21:27
May 16, 2009, 21:27
 
While I can't speak for the outrage of others, mine comes from the fact these guys where working in an industry I would give my left nut to be a part of.

For the last 12 years they pissed around and have nothing to show for it and have gone belly up. It's the same outrage I feel when some worthless douche bag wins the lottery and squanders it on hookers and blow and winds up bankrupt and homeless 2 years later.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 21:12
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May 16, 2009, 21:12
 
Yup, rather hilarious watching people get mad. It's like Broussard and Miller promised them a blowjob for $50, then skipped town.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 20:56
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 16, 2009, 20:56
May 16, 2009, 20:56
 
Creston has it.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 20:15
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer May 16, 2009, 20:15
May 16, 2009, 20:15
 
This reminds me of the Hellgate/Bill Roper hatefest, some people are way too emotional.

True with regards to the emotional factor, but 3DR's bullshit in no way compares to Bill Roper's blatant theft.

3DR, in the end, never charged a single gamer a single dime for DNF. Bill Roper, I believe, technically owes a fuckton of people a fuckton of money.

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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 18:06
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May 16, 2009, 18:06
 
Why would any company want to buy a development house that took this long to develope a game that isn't even close to done after all this time? Even if they could force a quick release of DNF, it probably wouldn't recoup their purchase price, and then they can't expect some new game to be make any time soon after by that team. 3DR was like a sick horse that just needed to be shot.
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Re: 3D Realms Denies Buyout Offer
May 16, 2009, 17:17
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May 16, 2009, 17:17
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I don't get the outrage...Hopefully the game will still be released but it was never going to be the next Half-Life.
Of course you don't get it because you're a Half-Life fanboy, not a Duke Nukem one. Replace "3D Realms" with "Valve," and then you'd get it for sure.

This comment was edited on May 16, 2009, 17:18.
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