No Online DRM in Sim 3

The Sims 3 Website has word the controversial online features of the SecuROM digital rights management system will not be used for the upcoming release of The Sims 3, saying the lifestyle simulation sequel will instead use a serial key-based system with no online authentication. According to EA's humble Rod Humble: "We feel like this is a good, time-proven solution that makes it easy for you to play the game without DRM methods that feel overly invasive or leave you concerned about authorization server access in the distant future." Eurogamer asked if this was a trend for other future games and were told by an EA spokesperson: "We are just looking at this solution for The Sims 3 at the moment."
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 28, 2009, 10:04
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 28, 2009, 10:04
Mar 28, 2009, 10:04
 
I'm sure it'll be right back on their next title.

THAT is what I'm squawkin' about.

Great... SIMS 3 won't have DRM. I'm happy for the SIMS Players (which my wife is one, and it will save me a lot of BS as far as maintaining her machine goes.)

But again... I fear even though they know they won't get hurt much by the piracy of this title (because it would get pirated whether it had DRM or not)... they will bitch and moan about how much it will be pirated, and use that as an excuse to infest their future games even worse.
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 28, 2009, 09:23
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 28, 2009, 09:23
Mar 28, 2009, 09:23
 
It's not like it matters. So they want to maximize their profit by removing a feature the community hates? So what? Community wins and they win. What exactly was your point?
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 28, 2009, 07:53
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 28, 2009, 07:53
Mar 28, 2009, 07:53
 
Isn't that the irony? No one can accurately gauge how many sales are lost due to piracy, just like no one can be sure how many are lost due to DRM implementation. Its all speculation.
However, as I opined in a previous post, EA wouldn't just arbitrarily decide to drop DRM from their flagship PC game.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 28, 2009, 05:38
Rigs
 
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 28, 2009, 05:38
Mar 28, 2009, 05:38
 Rigs
 
If publishers didn't care about potential lost sales, DRM wouldn't exist in the first place.

Yes, but do you honestly think that if 1000 or even 10,000 gamers boycotted theSims3 that EA would notice? Not a chance in hell, my friend. DRM (in a publushers mind, with all it stats and poll numbers, surveys and demographics) is used to combat mass piracy, not some John Doe Gamer that wants to make a copy so him and his friend can co-op. BitTorrent scares game publishers, much like the RIAA. And the music industry's answer to piracy is slowly beginning to take hold over here with micropayments and DLC. You want a song (legally), $.99. You want DLC, $5.00...
My point was that nowadays there is no way a single gamer or group of gamers are going to change the thinking of a big publisher like EA by just not buying a game. You're fooling only yourself and you're missing out on some good stuff while you're at it...

=-Rigs-=
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 28, 2009, 01:14
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 28, 2009, 01:14
Mar 28, 2009, 01:14
 
The publishers don't care! So you're missing out for nothing gained...

If publishers didn't care about potential lost sales, DRM wouldn't exist in the first place.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 23:56
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 23:56
Mar 27, 2009, 23:56
 
If you know your system and keep it in top shape with updated drivers and hardware, then you should not have as many or any problems.

Activation limits really don't care whether you keep your PC up to date or not. 3 activations is 3 activations...

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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 23:54
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 23:54
Mar 27, 2009, 23:54
 
But "The Sims" gets a "pass".

I'm guessing EA looks at it this way :

1) They don't want another Spore PR fiasco.
2) SecuROM probably costs quite a bit of money.
3) The Sims 3 will sell 5,000,000 copies anyways, with or without DRM. (Note, this is in their perspective. Their idea is that a game without DRM would only sell 1 copy.)

So why bother with DRM for Sims 3? I'm sure it'll be right back on their next title.

Creston
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 23:23
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 23:23
Mar 27, 2009, 23:23
 
Some of the people do it to justify their piracy of the title. Some of the people are legitimate customers who want to vote with their money. Some of the people are Internet posters who just want to chip in with their 2 cents and probably wouldn't have bought the game anyways. Pick a category, that's basically what it boils down to.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 23:06
Rigs
 
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 23:06
Mar 27, 2009, 23:06
 Rigs
 
(A real game) would get SecureROM + Install limits + a DNA Sample + a Non-lubricated steel-studded dildo up the consumer's ass.

Dude, you coulda stopped at the DNA sample...really...

Anyway, I don't see what the hell the big deal is. I don't punish myself by boycotting games because the company behind it might make business decisions I don't agree with (And having DRM or not is really just a business decision). As if I matter enough for them to even notice. Please. No GTA4, FarCry2, Fallout3 because of SecuRom or install limits, etc? Whatever. I just follow the instructions like a good little sheep and get to enjoy the fruits of it. Granted when it intereferes with running the game, yes then it's a problem...
I'm a major X addict. I've played all of them and have been following the series since it was just a measly tech demo in 1997. When X3 came out with StarForce attached, I was concerned only in the fact that it might not run well because of it. Thankfully, I had no problems. Which kinda leads to my next point. If you know your system and keep it in top shape with updated drivers and hardware, then you should not have as many or any problems. (Put the pitchfork and torch down, I'm not blaming the gamer for DRM's screw ups, though stupid mistakes and not reading the instructions do count for a number of problems) I have all the latest games installed on my system and all run just fine. The only one to cause a problem, for me personally, was GTA4 with it's WS10 error. After the second patch, the problem disappeared. Also, a while after release, Egosoft put out a patch to remove the Starforce on X3...

I just can't understand why someone would purposely punish themselves by boycotting a game. The publishers don't care! So you're missing out for nothing gained...

=-Rigs-=

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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 20:31
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 20:31
Mar 27, 2009, 20:31
 
...and a strong positive DRM-free could become permanent. Woot.

Well, I guess I'm pessimistic or suspicious. I bet they'll whine about how much the Sims 3 is pirated (even though they'll still make a ton of money) and use that as an excuse to fuck up the rest of their future releases.

It looks to me like they are "throwing a bone" to the people they make the most money from (Casual gamers that like The Sims), and removing the inconvenience of DRM, because they know the game WILL sell good EVEN if it's pirated. (Which it will be)

Whereas something like, say a new "System Shock 3" (A real game) would get SecureROM + Install limits + a DNA Sample + a Non-lubricated steel-studded dildo up the consumer's ass.

I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 20:02
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 20:02
Mar 27, 2009, 20:02
 Kxmode
 
What I meant by my first post is that they will probably still infest DRM on their other games.

But "The Sims" gets a "pass".

The spokesperson said "we are just looking at this solution for The Sims 3 at the moment." The removal of DRM from The Sims 3 is a pilot program to see how well it does. I'm glad they choose this game because it is one of EA's flagship titles. They make a TON of money off the franchise. So pending some sort of weirdness happens it's virtually a guarantee The Sims 3 will be a commercial success and a strong positive DRM-free could become permanent. Woot.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 19:42
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 19:42
Mar 27, 2009, 19:42
 
DRM didn't hurt Spore sales despite low Amazon ratings so I will view this as goodwill instead of being a knob about a nice gesture.

Multibillion dollar companies don't just arbitrarily make decisions. Someone that matters at EA must believe that restrictive DRM on The Sims 3 will hurt sales.

You make the sweeping statement that Spores sales haven't been effected by DRM at all. With a game as popular as Spore, even if a few percentage of people who otherwise would have bought the game decided not to due to DRM, that still has the potential to equal 30,000+ lost sales.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 16:25
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 16:25
Mar 27, 2009, 16:25
 
This is a great move if it true. You can't really count Spore figures as it was really too early in the "new style" DRM flood to be considered indicative of people's tolerance for DRM. I got 3 copies for this household. Got 3 copies of Red Alert 3. I also bought 1 copy of Mercenaries 2 (had the PS3 one) and it was bugged out and wasting activations while not running. So I returned it. That's when I decided no more boxed PC games with DRM. I was lucky enough to have avoided all the other games that used DRM that people had issues with, GTA4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Fallout 3, etc, etc.. So my decision came after roughly 3 exposures. Now they also need to make Sims 3 available on Steam/Impulse etc. for guys who want that type of distribution too. It's about maximum exposure and choices. Some of us like to collect and own a game, others want the service to handle it. And of those, some want a specific service they are comfortable with.

Edit: I have no intentions of ever installing GfW, so if games are using that, I am passing. If it was a singular solution that was robust and functional as it was intended, then I would entertain the idea. But it hasn't been and I don't really ever want it to be at this point now either. Why? Because so many other services that are user accepted can do it now. YMMV

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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 15:44
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 15:44
Mar 27, 2009, 15:44
 
What I meant by my first post is that they will probably still infest DRM on their other games.

But "The Sims" gets a "pass".

Which is kind of even more of a slap in the face to the harder-core(?) gamers.
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Re: And soon pigs can fly to?
Mar 27, 2009, 14:28
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Re: And soon pigs can fly to? Mar 27, 2009, 14:28
Mar 27, 2009, 14:28
 
I just don't see them as some big evil giant out to do me harm. They're just some random company like any other random company to me.

Perspective and sensibility in an Internet argument? GGRRRRGHHHGHGHGHGH THAT MAKES ME SO ANGRY YOU MUST BE A SHILL
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 14:14
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 14:14
Mar 27, 2009, 14:14
 
Seeing as how my wife will absolutely want this, good. Fucking SecuROM bullshit.

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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 13:31
Kxmode
 
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 13:31
Mar 27, 2009, 13:31
 Kxmode
 
Not really into The Sims but this is definitely a step in the right direction. Good move EA! Thumbsup

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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 13:04
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 13:04
Mar 27, 2009, 13:04
 
If the box says EA stay the fuck away.
Back in the Trip Hawkins days, EA used to be a mark of quality. Given that they've spent the past year publicaly apologising (c.f. "We destroyed Bullfrog") and released a few new IPs, I think we should start giving them a little bit more credit again.

If they nuke SecuROM completely then I'll be a happy bunny.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
 
What doesn't make sense about that? They're trialing it on Sims 3 before other games?

"Trialing?" Basic disc-check protection has been around for years. EA was using it long before they went with DRM. In addition, how exactly do you run a trial for copy-protection? All copy-protection is inevitably cracked and Securom DRM has been getting cracked for a while. If publishers actually expected results, they wouldn't keep using protection that doesn't work.
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3
Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
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Re: No Online DRM in Sim 3 Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
Mar 27, 2009, 12:03
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SimCity 5 or stfu, EA. I can't remember the last EA game I cared about, let alone purchased. I think it was SimCity 4 Deluxe in 2004 or 2005.
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