So, Prez, how many times have you (or anyone here) had to use a gun (or anything else) in self defence.
If everybody had guns, all these shooting massacres wouldn't happen or at the very least, would be greatly minimized.- Jerykk
it's no coincidence that the US has accomplished more in its tiny history than most other countries have in thousands of years.
the underlying defensiveness you see from Americans when you talk of removing or severely restricting our 2nd Amendment rights comes from how flippantly foreigners suggest that we sacrifice yet another one of our constitutional freedoms, as if it were no big deal. It IS a big deal to most of us. A HUGE deal.Not flippantly but it seems any suggestion for change is met with "the constitution". Other countries are able to adapt, to change their laws and beliefs with time, but the US seems to have the constitution as a sticking point. Is it really unreasonable to suggest that there should be greater restrictions on firearms? In the UK we have the monarchy but there are plenty of people that are opposed to it and it is freely discussed - we don't have a constitution saying it's a good idea and can't be changed. The monarchy's role has been continually diminishing, even over the past decade, and it's entirely likely we'll see its role further reduced.
it's a shame that you feel you need weapons to protect yourself
Guns, patriotism and the Constitution ARE America.- me thinks you may be stuck in the wild west their buddy, it's a shame that you feel you need weapons to protect yourself.
Every human on the planet DOES have the right to defend themselvesDo they also have the right to pre-emptly defend them self too? i.e. Attack others who may one day threaten them and there way of life? cos that just leads to insane escalation of a spiral of death.
You are a non-factor and always will be.
You reveal yourself as either a very young stupid person or a liberal elitist.Only in the US could "liberal" be an insult... it just doesn't make sense.
The funny thing is the degenerate Obamalol?
Just the same old mush spewing from your hate filled mind.Pot. Kettle. Black.
I myself can't comprehend why people of other countries take issue with Americans being protective of their freedoms and their right to protect themselves.Yes, but "the constitution" seems to take on a life of its own. And it hasn't protected the rights and freedoms of people held without charge and tortured. Sure Obama has pledged to close down Guantanamo Bay but has refused to take action against other similar facilities run by the US around the world - it's a hollow gesture. Freedom of press isn't even a guarantee as news is suppressed at the behest of the government, like showing coffins of soldiers killed in action. The constitution seems to be a symbol that people cling to like a religion and trot out at every opportunity. That's over simplifying it a bit - I appreciate that it's a LOT more complicated than that - but I hope you understand my point.
Do you know what it's like to be afraid to go to the grocery store, or pump gas, or stop at a red light, or even sit in your own living room? Robberies, rapes, murders, daylight home invasions, et. al. are a normal fact of life where I live and work.No, I can't say I do. I don't live in a city and the police coverage during drinking nights keeps things under control. Even the city I lived in before I felt safe to walk around at night and I frequently did so. It's no paradise but it's not terrible. And that's not to say that other areas don't have problems with crime - many of the major cities do and have no-go areas. But issues like you describe need to be tackled culturally, not simply by allowing everyone to have guns.
Not at all. Just the "I have a right to defend myself" and "the constitution says so" crowd.
You are clearly speaking to the American stereotype of the "redneck gun nut". I believe that the stereotypical image, one of some corn-fed, bib-overall wearing, tractor-driving, bible-thumpin', farm-raised guy named Cletus with 50 guns just praying that someone tries to break into his house so he has an excuse to riddle him with bullets, is the one most of my friends across the pond have in mind when they debate this issue.Not at all. Just the "I have a right to defend myself" and "the constitution says so" crowd.
I did find this report (though it's a bit old) that shows that 80% of guns used in crimes weren't obtained through regulated channels.That leaves 20% through legitimate channels and it's unclear how many of the 80% were bought legitimately and sold on illegally / stolen (does that 80% include children / family members that took someone else's legally owned weapon?). And that's with dramatically more gun crime than the rest of the western world, so it's a considerable percentage of a large number.
Ultimately, only a change in the American psyche through effective culture change will break the cycle of violence in America.Hence why I dislike the way guns, patriotism and the constitution are so highly regarded.
As before, rather than debate at length, I'll just say that, again, I couldn't agree more vehemnently with this statement.Fair enough, but I stand by my point. The US government is no more accountable than those in other countries - I'd suggest the activities of the CIA and NSA suggest it is less accountable - and for defence it seems counterproductive because criminals are more likely to have weapons (other countries have armed crime but dramatically less than the US). They're more symbolic than practical.
Firstly, where is the source for such a figure? That seems very low. Secondly, guns from the legal market bleed into the illegal market.
I'm not even suggesting an outright ban on firearms in the US. Heck, we don't have that here. I have two shotguns here in the house, one a pump action. I just think that the US should stop glamorizing weapons, promoting gun ownership and cease open access to them.
It's a cultural thing but the reasons cited for them - to defend yourself and to keep the government accountable - just don't hold up.
Yes, it might make a difference in 50 or 100 years, as guns begin to fall apart and there hasn't been an influx of illegal guns. Then again, it might not make a difference, or it might make the problem worse by increasing the necessity of a black market.Are guns licensed to people or freely available? If they're licensed then it's possible to buy them back and if people refuse you have a reasonable idea of how many firearms are still out there.
Gun control is counter-productive. 99% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, so banning guns doesn't make any difference. Gun control just ensures that criminals have guns and law-abiding citizens don't.Firstly, where is the source for such a figure? That seems very low. Secondly, guns from the legal market bleed into the illegal market.
To my friends Cliffski and Theyarecomingforyou, I must respectfully say that you truly do not understand American culture. At all. You point to the high gun ownership and the high violent crime rate and assume that they are correlated.I think gun ownership and its place in US culture increases violent crime. A direct correlation? No.
Yes, you had a gun buyback scheme and it's beyond sad that you fell for it with nary a complaint. You willingly gave up your ability to defend yourself. You are proud of this?Where is this magical need to defend yourself? You act like in every other country people just stroll in our homes and kill us because we don't have guns to defend ourselves. That simply doesn't happen.
And where do you think they got them from? Do you think the criminals have gun manufacturing plants set up?
Why would it work? If you've got a thriving, active industry that produces guns, some of those guns are going to filter out to the criminal element. If that industry is eliminated, the amount of guns that filter to the criminal element is going to be drastically reduced.
You willingly gave up your ability to defend yourself. You are proud of this?
People who refuse to defend themselves, like you, are the real trash.How so? Because by my doing so you lose a legitimate reason to have your weapon? If I had a gun it wouldn't help me get censored games.