What was so terrible about the engine? I thought it was fine.

Too zoomed in. Boxy models. And yes, the engine continued to be developed and became much better... I just didn't like it for Generals.

I guess you have a point there, though the Zero Hour expansion did have cutscenes.

I wasn't aware of that.

Given your statements about Generals in the past, I think the political overtones of the game are easily the biggest reason why you hate it so much.

Honestly, the graphics were the biggest problem I had. I loved the original C&C, which was incredibly zoomed out - with 3D games developers decided to dramatically zoom in the camera, reducing the amount of the battlefield you can see and reducing the "strategy" (the same reason I didn't like AoE3 and why I preferred Warcraft I to the sequels). Then it was the poor theme, which was linked to the politics. I can get over dodgy politics but not if I don't like the core game.

Well, I thought the engine was terrible (moving to 3D when 2D technology was still better)

What was so terrible about the engine? I thought it was fine. It ran well at the time and looked good. It was solid enough to be subsequently used in BFME, BFME2 and C&C3 (which you've praised in comparison to Generals).

and didn't like the bland theme (lack of cutscenes, interesting backstory)

I guess you have a point there, though the Zero Hour expansion did have cutscenes. In any case, the main appeal of Generals was the online play. However, if you're more interested in a story-driven single-player campaign, I can understand your grievance.

though the thinly veiled politics also irritated me (but was a lesser factor in my dislike of the game). Instead of sticking with comically exaggerated plots / acting they went with a crude pro-western statement.

Given your statements about Generals in the past, I think the political overtones of the game are easily the biggest reason why you hate it so much. Crappy engine? Um, okay. Lack of story? Sure. But I highly doubt either of those could evoke such strong disdain from you.

shut the fuck up

Glad to see some maturity in this topic.

the emotions in this thread are blowing up like censored nukes.

shut the fuck up

You win the award for 2008's Worst Thread Derailment, congratulations! And I thought all the piracy and DRM argument instigators were bad.

Thank you. I'm honoured. Still, I'm not afraid to talk about politics - it affects every aspect of our lives, even computer games (as evidenced by this news article).

I think I'm starting to understand why you hate C&C: Generals so much..

Well, I thought the engine was terrible (moving to 3D when 2D technology was still better) and didn't like the bland theme (lack of cutscenes, interesting backstory), though the thinly veiled politics also irritated me (but was a lesser factor in my dislike of the game). Instead of sticking with comically exaggerated plots / acting they went with a crude pro-western statement.

NEway, please don't think I'm simply bashing the US - I'm also pissed off with the UK's foreign policy as well. At least there was a compelling candidate for change in the US and he was elected - here we're stuck with a bunch of useless tossers, with all three parties having virtually identical policies. And Australia seems to be battling the same crap. It's just that the US has been the leader with bad foreign policy moves, while we just try to play catchup.

If fallout 3 had a mission where you suicide bombed a building by flying a plane into it, and bethesda removed it in the US.
Then I'd say you guys had an equal level of "pussyness" as the Japanese do over having their city's nuked.

I actually do think they should leave it in and not censor it.

but somehow naming a weapon after one of the bombs we dropped on Japan is somehow horribly taboo.

I doubt any of the Japanese had time to read the bomb...

Wait a sec. Isn't this WHOLE GAME about a life after a nuclear war? I guess I don't get why THAT is okay, but somehow naming a weapon after one of the bombs we dropped on Japan is somehow horribly taboo.

Be clear that the article makes no mention of why they censored the game. It'd be an issue if the government of The Empire came out and said "Censor your game," like with the Fourth Reich over in Europe, but AFAIK Bethesda just decided to do it themselves.

And I don't see anybody pissing themselves angry over the fact that you cannot kill any of the (asking for it) children in the game. I'd haul the Megaton bomb off to Little Lamplight if I could. Of course, though, that'd be an instant AO rating and little Wal Mart wouldn't stock the game because they're such a bastion of high morality.

Never mind there is a quest to fucking enslave a child. How hopelessly hypocritical.

[edit] Oh, and did it never occur to anyone that two of the residents of Megaton are children themselves? Whoops! Didn't mean to blow you up with a nuclear bomb so I guess it doesn't matter!

This comment was edited on Nov 11, 2008, 20:08.

And maybe the japs should get over it already. They started the fucking war with a sneak attack anyway. Serves them goddamned right!

Exactly they fucked with the wrong country... happy Veterans Day!

Some of you should watch the documentary "White Light Black Rain". When you see it you will realize there are far more important things than a developer's artistic integrity of a video game.

And maybe the japs should get over it already. They started the fucking war with a sneak attack anyway. Serves them goddamned right! If it's such a big deal why would they even allow the game to be released there in the first place? That game should serve as a good reminder to Tojo Inc. about what could very well happen if they ever feel like starting a war again.

All your base are belong to us!

Some of you should watch the documentary "White Light Black Rain". When you see it you will realize there are far more important things than a developer's artistic integrity of a video game.

This comment was edited on Nov 11, 2008, 16:29.

So the quest has mutated into something else?

The quest is being replaced by tentacle porn and used panty vendor machines.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Not everything has to be Politically Correct these days and it makes me sick that we are all so fucking overly sensitive about everything!

It's not like the nuke in this quest launches and explodes on Japanese soil. I would imagine Japanese would actually LOVE to play a game where a nuke explodes on American soil.

This comment was edited on Nov 11, 2008, 15:59.

Trying to manipulate my words does nothing to distract from the atrocious foreign policy of the United States, learning nothing from the mistakes of WWII. To target civilians is immoral, which has been widely prevalent in Iraq - it has also been the staple of Israeli military policy, funded and politically supported primarily by the US.

I think I'm starting to understand why you hate C&C: Generals so much..

Well, in Fallout 4, the nukes also come installed with DRM so just wait for those happy happy joy joy threads.

Poster number 16, time is up, please return your boat to the hypocrisy docking area. Thankyou.

My point was the complete disregard for civilians fatalities. Trying to manipulate my words does nothing to distract from the atrocious foreign policy of the United States, learning nothing from the mistakes of WWII. To target civilians is immoral, which has been widely prevalent in Iraq - it has also been the staple of Israeli military policy, funded and politically supported primarily by the US.

You win the award for 2008's Worst Thread Derailment, congratulations! And I thought all the piracy and DRM argument instigators were bad.

Shut the FUCK UP! This is a fucking GAME you stupid assholes. It has NOTHING to do with Japan vs. the US! That is an entirely separate issue.

What's next, we going to ban the movies Threads and Road Warrior while banning books like The Road now due to sensitivity reasons of nuclear war?

FUCK this shit. it happened, too fucking bad. Not everything has to be Politically Correct these days and it makes me sick that we are all so fucking overly sensitive about everything!