Out of the Blue

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Re: Out of the Blue
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 5, 2008, 16:32
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So far we are passing the high speed rail ($9.95 bil), children's hospital ($980 mil), and veteran's bonds ($900 mil). Together, including interest, we will have to pay back $23.6 billion on these three bonds alone.

The Veteran bond was an extension, not a new one. We had several other local measures where I live - none of which passed.

I have driven between the Sacramento area and LA more times than I care to count over the last 15 years and I-5 is always moving at full speed (unless there is an accident - a couple times over the years) until you are in the immediate vicinity of a large city.

You must not drive around the holidays, which is when I'm usually on that stretch to visit family. It took me over 8 hours last year to get from the Bay Area to LA, and there were no accidents. It was stop and go several times in the middle of nowhere. It's getting ridiculous. I can't imagine what it will be like in 10 years.

There is no way that prices will be low enough to make sense for shorter trips (SAC to SF) with existing cheap BART fares once you get close to SF. And for longert trips, say, Sac to San Diego, look at all the stops it makes.

It's not designed for competing with local transportation like BART. If you look at the site you posted, they have estimated trip times and cost between the stops. SF to LA is 2 hrs 38 mins for $55. Even if you add an hour for travel to/from the station, it saves a couple hours and is cost-competitive with driving.

Try a family - the costs would be prohibitive for most for what could instead be less than a day's drive.

For a family, piling everyone into the car is going to almost always be cheaper, but the train will be less expensive than flying, and take around the same amount of time with less hassle.
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