Exactly. Here, let me make up one: 99% of the people I talked to said McCain was an old fucker who was out of touch, and picked a pro-life, podunk bimbo as his running mate!

Oh yeah?! Well 99% infinity-plus-one think you're wrong! So there!

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Mostly agreed Prez. It still shocked me how many voted for McCain and perhaps you are right. Some folks were really voting "against Obama" rather than "for McCain." Its a plausible notion to explain some of the votes. McCain's last debate was deal-breaker for me and I'm glad for that last debate. Obama might be dry, careful, and robotic, but McCain was acting like a cranky old guy, but with the off-putting smirks and sarcasms of a witless teenager. Not good for diplomacy.

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Neat, and what is the margining of error in this great batpole you quote*

Exactly. Here, let me make up one: 99% of the people I talked to said McCain was an old fucker who was out of touch, and picked a pro-life, podunk bimbo as his running mate!

See? Easy!

Whoo-hoo!

??? 99% of the people that voted for Obama have no idea what "change" means.

Neat, and what is the margining of error in this great batpole you quote*

*pull out your bathole/arse.

Lol at those calling others sheeple, so are you mathew, mark, luke or john?

I agree Batman. The polls showed the number one reason Obama was voted in was... Change! And when asked what that change meant... most people couldn't come up with anything sensible to say. Sad when you think about it. But that is the system.

He's never run a small business let alone a city or a state. Plus he was only in the Senate for a few months before deciding he could take on the job of Pres. Mind you that this was just months after he said he wasn't qualified to do the job.

oh please. thats the most uninformed crap about obama. youre probably one of those who shouted that obama is a terrorist at a mccain rally. obama knew he had to get into politics and indeed become president of the united states when he realized being a community organizer does not change society. read up on the man before you call him names.

Next idiot want to put more words in my mouth? Oh, if the truth hurts you try not reading it. Go back to watching network news.

??? 99% of the people that voted for Obama have no idea what "change" means. I will laugh my ass off when they are pissed.

Morons.

Person 1: We need CHANGE man, and Obama is gonna change it!
Person 2: Sounds good, what is he going to change?
Person 1: He's gonna change what needs it man, CHANGE baby, that's what it's about!
Person 2: That's great, but what needs changing? Better yet, how will it change?
Person 1: It ALL needs changing, and now is a TIME for that change! Obama is gonna change it ALL!!!
Person 2: OK, but what is IT; this IT that needs changed? Can you tell me, specifically, what IT refers to?
Person 1: IT is change, and IT'S COMING BABY!!!! OBAMA FOR 8!!!
Person 2: Fuck this, I give up?

Like I have stated before, the elections are for the sheeple....congrats to them I guess.

Oh please, don't be *that* guy.

??? 99% of the people that voted for Obama have no idea what "change" means. I will laugh my ass off when they are pissed.

Morons.

Like I have stated before, the elections are for the sheeple....congrats to them I guess.

Oh please, don't be *that* guy.

Yeah. I hate *that* guy. About people with autism he said "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot." People with autism cannot help the way they act.

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Prez: That's mostly fair, and that's pretty much what I expected your response to be. Still, some of those people worked their way into that Good ole' boy club. Most were born into it, but some of them really do have hard work behind it.

I wanted to cry in 2004 when our choice was between two C students that were legacied into Yale, though.

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I swear the republicans could have run a Manson\Bundie ticket and still got 50 million people to vote for them

Interesting observation. But the one thing you may be missing is that in recent years, Americans are as likely to cast a vote against a candidate as they are to cast one for a candidate. Coupled with the ridiculously rigid 2-party system we are inexplicably saddled with, you end up seeing weird things like people voting Bush into a second term with a popularity rating below 50%. A great deal of those votes were against Kerry, not for Bush. I really don't feel like detailing the myriad reasons why Kerry was such a terrible candidate; suffice it to say he was bad enough to get Bush into office for a second term! Likewise, a sizable portion of the 50 some-odd million votes McCain got were most certainly votes against Obama, who gave most moderate to conservative people all the legitimate reasons they needed to NOT want to see him in office.

Having said that, you are spot on about how polarized the US is. It's as bad as I've ever seen it, and quite possibly as bad as it's ever been. The media plays no small part in that - they LOVE keeping Americans at odds with one another however they can - it allows them to maintain relevancy and ratings by simply stirring the pot at the right time.

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Like I have stated before, the elections are for the sheeple....congrats to them I guess.

Oh please, don't be *that* guy.

Your political system is by no means fixed though. It looks like Obama creamed Mcain when you see the electoral votes but when you look at the popular vote he only won by 6%. 55 million people voted for Mcain!?! Just how bad does your party have to screw up before you wont vote for them? I swear the republicans could have run a Manson\Bundie ticket and still got 50 million people to vote for them, and its the same for the democrates too, your country is as polerized as ever.

The 2 party system is broken.

spread some unity

Is that like income redistribution?

Obama wins, great news, I hope for americans that he can walk the talk.
Bush now has his legacy, he screwed up so bad that he enabled this whole movement to happen, I guess he did sooo bad that in the end he did good. I do not belive that under any other circumstances could Obama have won.
Obama is already a far better president then Bush and he hasnt even taken office yet. Largest voter turn out in decades and he has rallied the population to give a shit, well half of it anyway. People seem to say he only has the ability to give great speeches and rally people but in essence isnt that one of the most important qualitys of a leader? He is also most likely one of the most intelligent men the hold the office. He is smart and can lead, sounds like the best man for the job to me.
Your political system is by no means fixed though. It looks like Obama creamed Mcain when you see the electoral votes but when you look at the popular vote he only won by 6%. 55 million people voted for Mcain!?! Just how bad does your party have to screw up before you wont vote for them? I swear the republicans could have run a Manson\Bundie ticket and still got 50 million people to vote for them, and its the same for the democrates too, your country is as polerized as ever.
Hopefully Obama can spread some unity and get you all to give a shit about your fellow citizens, its all about me myself and I, and that needs to change.

well said prez. Like I have stated before, the elections are for the sheeple....congrats to them I guess.

The only thing that will hold him and the country back are the entrenched, anti-partisan republicans that would rather see the country wallow in shit than not have their own way, then conveniently blame it on the democrats as always.

bwaaahahahh Hay kettle - meet pot. So isn't that EXACTLY what the Dems did? sheesh.

Keep dreaming, buddy. Nevermind that the UN was involved in the Bosnia conflict, not the fucking Freedom Brigade assembled by Bush

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Kinda funny how this overwhelmingly left-leaning and liberal state passed 8, huh?

Yeah, thats homophobia for ya.

As far as I know gay couples CAN get married in the form of a civil union and have all the privileges married folks have. What I think prop 8 did is say the word "marriage" means "one man, one women". Gay couples in civil unions can still say to themselves and their friends "we're married".

But if California shows one things is that change happens slowly.

Funny you should ask Mag. It's actually a fair question, and you are right to ask it. In my view, the point of our "diatribes" is not so much to say we have someone better in mind, but more of a critique of the process of selecting the man who ultimately got into the White House.

I can't speak for anyone else as to who would be better; everyone has their own opinions, and when it comes to politics, they can be very strong ones. My personal disenchantment with the process and with who ended up winning is based simply on the fundamental belief that I have that this was an incredibly weak field of candidates. To be sure, the last few elections have been utter disappointments when one considers what they offered in terms of candidates. I mean come on - look at who we have had to choose from in the past. Bush? Gore? Kerry? Edwards? Clinton? Romney? Sharpton? Guiliani? McCain? Obama? Are you seriously telling me that these yokels are the best this country has to offer? My God - I personally know a dozen more honest, more intelligent, more genuine, more qualified people than these buffoons just in my own neighborhood. Personally, I have no doubt that on the issue of leadership, character, and understanding of the Constitution, I could have wiped the floor with McCain and Obama easily. But, alas, neither I, nor you, nor any of my neighbors are part of the elitist establishment that determines who will make up the field of potential nominees. It' the consummate good ole' boy club, and none of us 'little folk' are welcome in. We as a constituency don't seem too concerned about that anyway; we are apparently more content just pointlessly bickering amongst ourselves about which idiot from the pre-determined pool of idiots is slightly lees of a moron than the others. A Greek philosopher (I believe it was Plato, but I'm not positive) said "Those who deem themselves too smart or too righteous for politics doom themselves to be ruled by those dumber and less virtuous than themselves." Can you think of a more appropriate, more fitting synopsis of American politics?

Okay. We've read your diatribes. Warhawk, Batman, Prez: Who were your first picks? What have those people done to earn your adulation? Talkin' purty is about all we can hope for right now. Could McCain have fixed the problems with the country? No. Can Obama? No. Could Romney, Paul, Giuliani, Clinton? Nope. But you know what? Obama gave the best speeches. He's the most charismatic. One thing that the next president can do is repair our reputation with the world. He's just a figurehead, isn't he? Isn't that what someone was arguing earlier?