Far Cry 2 DRM Follow-up

DRM is official on the Far Cry 2 Forums is a post by a user reporting that a conversation with a Ubisoft representative about DRM in Far Cry 2, and a subsequent post by a Ubi Forum Manager confirms the use of the SecuROM DRM indicated on the French Ubisoft Shop yesterday (story). On a semi-related note, Riccitiello Says DRM a Minority Controversy has comments from the EA CEO saying he feels that Digital Rights management only represents an issue for 0.2% of their users: "We're still working out the kinks. We implemented a form of DRM and it's something that 99.8 percent of users wouldn't notice. But for the other .2 percent, it became an issue and a number of them launched a cabal online to protest against it." Ubisoft has not answered our mails on the topic, but here is the forum post on the Far Cry 2 DRM:
Some DRM points that will hopefully answer some of your questions and will clarify some misunderstandings about our DRM and SecuROM:

- You have 5 activations on 3 separate PCs.

- Uninstalling the game “refunds” an activation. This process is called “revoke”, so as long as you complete proper uninstall you will be able to install the game an unlimited number of times on 3 systems.

- You can upgrade your computer as many time as you want (using our revoke system)

- Ubisoft is committed to the support of our games, and additional activations can be provided.

- Ubisoft is committed to the long term support of our games: you’ll always be able to play Far Cry 2.
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0.2% of users notice DRM in the first month, but how about 2-3 years down the road after they have upgraded their computer hardware or operating system and still expect to play Spore that they paid $50 for. EA is totally missing the point, as usual.


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To please the investors
Oct 15, 2008, 09:43
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Well, it does nothing to prevent copies. It does nothing to "enhance" the game experience for the customer. It does not generate more revenue or sales. The only reason, big publishers use this DRM is to please the all so rational and logical investors ...


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Please skip DRM
Oct 15, 2008, 09:48
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Please skip DRM Oct 15, 2008, 09:48
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I mean seriously you all should know by now that DRM does NOTHING to prevent pirates from pirating the game. All it does is bugging legimate customers like me that want to buy the game. So whenever I find out that DRM is in I wount buy it. That is the only boycot I have when it comes to games. I don't care about companies or publishers and such stuff. But boy do I hate DRM, so Ubisoft please get this, DRM does NOTHING but hurt your sales ok?
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Re: Please skip DRM
Oct 15, 2008, 09:52
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I feel the same way; all this does is pisses off legitimate paying customers and forces them to look for the game elsewhere to get around the DRM. EA, UBI Soft and anyone else using this type of DRM just does not get it. They have lost this battle and gone and made it 10 times worst now.


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Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 09:53
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I'm wondering when an upgrade is considered a separate PC. What unique identifier are they using that flags a system as being a specific PC? When I do a major upgrade, which usually involves upgrading to a new CPU that needs a new form factor (and therefore a new motherboard), will Ubisoft consider it the same PC? All I'd be keeping is the case, the hard drives, and the DVD writer... everything else would change. It's true that I wouldn't do this 4 times within the next 5 years, but it's likely that I will 10 years from now... will the activation system be removed by then? If the game is good enough, I may still want to play it that far down the road.

I'm waiting until I see reviews on this, but I'm curious how the activation system is really going to work. It sounds fine in theory, but without more details we can't know for sure.


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BOYCOTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 15, 2008, 10:10
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BOYCOTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 15, 2008, 10:10
Oct 15, 2008, 10:10
 
LETS NOT SUPPORT PUBLISHERS WHO MAKE GOOD GAMES. F*** EM!
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:14
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Wow, another EA game that wont get my money. I didn't know anything about this DRM bullshit with this game until now. I'm wondering if Gamespot will give me my preorder money back.
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:15
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Of course Joe Average won't notice this, sad but true.
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:18
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:18
 
Consider me in the 0.2% then. I just canceled my preorder. As long as they don't ship with a guarantee that they'll remove the activation-restriction entirely six months down the road, they can strike one customer off their list. I just can't be arsed to uninstall every single game individually every time I do a reformat. That's assuming the reason for the aforementioned reformat enables me to actually do that in the first place.


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Ugh!
Oct 15, 2008, 10:25
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Stupid DRM. Are there patches to remove DRM from pirate scenes and playable online? I really want this game, but don't want this DRM crap.
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Remember
Oct 15, 2008, 10:27
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:27
 
how six months ago everyone in the industry was talking about how EA had changed, and ricitteieieloo had this different direction he was going in, how they were going to care more about the quality of their products and try to improve their name with the gamers?

This is how ricieieitieieellooo improves EA's name : "We've implemented DRM that's no problem. Only the vocal minority, and they're all fucking pleebs anyways. My shareholders just voted me a million dollar raise. FUCK YOU GAMERS."


That last thing : "Ubisoft is committed to the long term support of our games: you’ll always be able to play Far Cry 2."

To be fair, I can't actually remember a game that Ubisoft turned their servers off for? Unlike fucking EA.

That's going to be a massive lawsuit waiting to happen, when EA turns off their first SecuROM protected game so people can't play it anymore.

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Re: No subject
Oct 15, 2008, 10:28
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NO sale.
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:28
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:28
 
It's comical that anyone is in favor of adding this to games when you have to go into such detail just to explain what it means to customers.

The online activations can be tolerated, in my opinion, but not the limited installs. And it makes no sense to try to track and limit installations. Microsoft's approach to this type of activation has been very effective and it makes no sense why these publishers think they know better.

The limit installs approach basically concludes that people are guilty unless they can prove otherwise. So it's more important to stop people from installing the games more than X times than it is to let gamers use the software how they choose.

If you were designing a program, would you go out of your way to make sure that people couldn't install it more than 3 times? What difference would it make if someone wanted to install it all day long. Install, uninstall, install, uninstall, etc? I assume you want people to enjoy your software as much as they want, but it seems like new pc games have companies behind them that don't feel the same way. they want to make sure they enjoy the game and never use it again.

As sure as this system is screwed up as is, they end game is a 1 install limit. If they ever get people to accept this limited install model they will move it towards 1 asap.

those that say they can tolerate it and it's not that big a deal, can you not see what is coming? the PC game companies will be rewarded for dropping total installs if people are "ok" with this. there is no reward to them for increasing the number of installs, They are going to do what is in their own best interests.

I'd argue it's not in their best interest to drop install to 1 as sales might collapse, but I don't think they consider this a possibility. I think their view is that people will continue to buy the game because they are offered no other choice. (As if piracy doesn't exist...)

I'm not totally convinced that online activations will "help" in any big way. I think the stardock approach of offering patches and additional content only after registration, essentially online activation of sorts, is a far superior way to encourage people to buy games and treat your customer well.

I think we have too many publishers that don't care if they make their customers happy. they need to go under, plain and simple. PC gamers need to stop buying these games. Especially when thsoe games are on the 360/PS3 at the same time. Just rent it, if you can't live without it I suppose you can go buy it, but I doubt you'll be buying much.
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:30
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:30
 
I'm wondering when an upgrade is considered a separate PC. What unique identifier are they using that flags a system as being a specific PC?

Worrisome reports so far have indicated that even a new graphics card flags it as a new PC. I wouldn't be surprised if getting a new burner for your broken one would flag it as a new PC.

will Ubisoft consider it the same PC?

Very likely not. Windows activation didn't, and I seriously doubt that SecuROM is more lax than Windows is.

will the activation system be removed by then?

Doubtful. They'd have to spend money to make a patch to do so.

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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:31
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:31
 
Telling big ass publishers to remove DRM from their games is like telling NASA to cut their budget by 5 billion dollars.

Im serious, they (EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc.) have probably a whole building full of programmers working on nothing BUT DRM, if they suddenly choose to scrap the idea, you will have a whole lot of software security "experts" without a job and on the dole.

Now that is called pure IRONY. Im pretty sure they would save enough money by cutting DRM from their titles, to cover any "fictive" costs of lost piracy sales.


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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:32
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer Oct 15, 2008, 10:32
Oct 15, 2008, 10:32
 
Wow, another EA game that wont get my money. I didn't know anything about this DRM bullshit with this game until now. I'm wondering if Gamespot will give me my preorder money back.

It's Ubisoft, not EA. Not a huge difference, but still. Gamespot should refund you if you cancel soon enough. (though it may take a fair few weeks before that money shows back up on your credit card...)

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SALE LOST
Oct 15, 2008, 10:33
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SALE LOST Oct 15, 2008, 10:33
Oct 15, 2008, 10:33
 
Pre-order canceled. Rootkit+Activations = No thanks

SALE LOST UBI. I had hoped you would not go the way of EA. I can see I was very wrong...
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:35
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:35
 
Worrisome reports so far have indicated that even a new graphics card flags it as a new PC. I wouldn't be surprised if getting a new burner for your broken one would flag it as a new PC.
If that's true, then they're outright lying. Upgrading the video card is probably the most common computer upgrade, so if that isn't supported, they have no business saying upgrades are supported. It's understandable is a "revoke" is necessary before upgrading (hopefully this won't require an uninstall and reinstall), but if upgrading your video card uses up an extra one of the 3 PC's, that's ridiculous.
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer
Oct 15, 2008, 10:43
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Re: Upgrade vs. new computer Oct 15, 2008, 10:43
Oct 15, 2008, 10:43
 
Damn it. I just remembered I already pre ordered this game on STEAM. AAAHHHHHHH! So I have to revoke my previous "NO sale" comment. Crap, I thought maybe the STEAM version would not have activations.

Oh well, I'll still crack the exe to remove the activations.

*sigh*
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:54
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Oct 15, 2008, 10:54
 
That's going to be a massive lawsuit waiting to happen, when EA turns off their first SecuROM protected game so people can't play it anymore.
I'm not certain but I'd imagine they'd just push out a patch that bypasses it should they ever be shutoff.

NEway, the point isn't that it only affects 0.2% of people but that 100% of people have to deal with the possibility of losing access to the games they've paid for. And as time goes on surely the number of people affected will increase considerably? Also, 0.2% of a game that sell 10m copies is 20,000 people - 20,000 people that bought the game and are entitled to use it.

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