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Broken Economic Outlook
Sep 28, 2008, 02:16
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Broken Economic Outlook Sep 28, 2008, 02:16
Sep 28, 2008, 02:16
 
Banning reselling of games is such a broken way of approaching a market. A game company that doesn't recognize that you can only sell as many games as there are people who want the game at a single point in time is too stupid to participate in a capitalist market.
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Sep 28, 2008, 01:26
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Sep 28, 2008, 01:26
 
They may not legally be able to keep you from reselling the game itself, but there is nothing stopping them from crippling people from being able to use it after you're done.
They are crippling the games for legitimate users; preventing reselling is just a bonus.

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No subject
Sep 28, 2008, 01:06
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Sep 28, 2008, 01:06
 
its pretty fucking ridiculous that corps have to resort to implementing fascist type control over the "rights of use" aspect of games in order to increase their precious profitsss.. rather than trying to create more volume of better games, increase productivity and so forth

this kind of philosophy WILL bite them in the ass, guaranteed

the commercialized economic system is reaching its limit for unchecked greed - time to start stockpiling ammo and heading to the vaults, my friends
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Re: GTA4
Sep 28, 2008, 00:54
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Re: GTA4 Sep 28, 2008, 00:54
Sep 28, 2008, 00:54
NKD
 
The rulings against restricted licences keep getting struck down on appeal, so the situation is far from clear - the AutoDesk ruling is currently the one everyone is paying attention to. However, I've read developers/publishers stating that if the ruling is upheld they'll simply switch to a subscription service that doesn't require additional payments - it gets around the issue but actually gives end users even less control.

Yeah, we are also starting to see this stuff in the games market. EA is already getting around it with the limited activation stuff. They may not legally be able to keep you from reselling the game itself, but there is nothing stopping them from crippling people from being able to use it after you're done.

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No subject
Sep 28, 2008, 00:51
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Sep 28, 2008, 00:51
 
I think we'll see less and less physical disc products, just so they can tie a sale to a customer forever.

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GTA4
Sep 28, 2008, 00:37
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GTA4 Sep 28, 2008, 00:37
Sep 28, 2008, 00:37
 
While many who hoped to take advantage of expanded multiplayer options in Grand Theft Auto IV for the PC might bemoan the lack of its availability on Steam or as a standalone title, the Windows Live rollout puts Microsoft in a strong position to bring new gamers into the fold by making access to a phenomenal title that much easier.
That is either poorly worded or reveals that GTA4 won't be making it to Steam; I'm gonna assume the former.

I'm pretty sure every time the issue of used stuff has appeared in court here in the US, they have decided that a company has no right to control it or profit from it once they've sold it to someone else.
The rulings against restricted licences keep getting struck down on appeal, so the situation is far from clear - the AutoDesk ruling is currently the one everyone is paying attention to. However, I've read developers/publishers stating that if the ruling is upheld they'll simply switch to a subscription service that doesn't require additional payments - it gets around the issue but actually gives end users even less control.

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Re: No subject
Sep 27, 2008, 21:55
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Sep 27, 2008, 21:55
 
It's called the Doctrine of First Sale and it's been upheld time after time after time. Once purchased, you are free to resale it, there are almost no exceptions to this other than products involving medicine and/or hygiene concerns.

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No subject
Sep 27, 2008, 21:54
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No subject Sep 27, 2008, 21:54
Sep 27, 2008, 21:54
 
I don't see GM crying that there's a healthy used car market that they don't get a cut of.

My respect for Bungie just dropped a couple of pegs.
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Re: No subject
Sep 27, 2008, 20:44
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Sep 27, 2008, 20:44
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I'm pretty sure every time the issue of used stuff has appeared in court here in the US, they have decided that a company has no right to control it or profit from it once they've sold it to someone else.

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Re: No subject
Sep 27, 2008, 20:19
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Sep 27, 2008, 20:19
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It is shocking to see otherwise intelligent, well-read, business-minded individuals display such painful ignorance on how capitalism works.

The assertion that developers and publishers are somehow entitled to money beyond that of the original sale is so asinine that it would be funny if it weren't so sad. The sense of entitlement to something that's not theirs is astounding.
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No subject
Sep 27, 2008, 19:51
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Sep 27, 2008, 19:51
 
id like to pocket money from that guys wallet
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Re: Bungie
Sep 27, 2008, 19:24
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Re: Bungie Sep 27, 2008, 19:24
Sep 27, 2008, 19:24
 
Consumer: Game companies will soon profit from no sales with attitudes like that.

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Re: Bungie
Sep 27, 2008, 15:22
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Re: Bungie Sep 27, 2008, 15:22
Sep 27, 2008, 15:22
 
By the same token, record companies should get a cut of used CD sales, movie studios should get a cut of used DVD sales and book publishers should get a cut of used book sales. What is this guy smoking?
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Bungie
Sep 27, 2008, 14:57
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Bungie Sep 27, 2008, 14:57
Sep 27, 2008, 14:57
 
Yeah, Ford should be able to pocket money from used car sales, too. And all those companies that produce recycled paper? pfft, pay up to the original producer of that product!

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