Green Game Packaging - Paper or Plastic?

Wal-Mart promotes green gaming has word that the retail giant has met with representatives of Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo to discuss making console gaming more environmentally friendly. Topics included giving system lower power standby modes, and the possibility of reversing the recent evolution to plastic game packaging by returning to paper and cardboard packaging, with Wal-Mart saying that would reduce the industry's carbon footprint by the equivalent of taking 4000 cars off the road.
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Aug 30, 2008, 22:40
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Paper and plastic both have there strong points and weak points from a chemical usage standpoint.

What about recycling though?

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IANA chemist, but I am a print major, did a big research paper on this.

I am a chemist.

Paper and plastic both have there strong points and weak points from a chemical usage standpoint.

The biggest thing about plastics are that they are made from fossil fuels, which we have a limited amount of. I find it silly to make things like grocery bags which people use for 3 minutes out of a limited resource when trees grow without any help from humans.

Though I am working on project to solve all the mentioned negative issues with plastics, and if it works I am going to be filthy rich and I will use the money to buy Crytek and tell that jackass Cevat to STFU.

And, FYI, in the US we now have more forest land then we did at the start of the 1900's. Businessmen are not stupid, they learned a long time ago that the trees grow back faster if you leave the ecosystem intact. Clear cutting only takes place for land-development.


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Packaging be damned
Aug 30, 2008, 21:26
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Aug 30, 2008, 21:26
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I want a FUN GAME!

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Aug 30, 2008, 21:24
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Recycling paper is for the most part a load of bull. All the harsh chemicals and other mechanical processes may be more harmful than just trashing it.

IANA chemist, but I am a print major, did a big research paper on this.

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Aug 30, 2008, 19:44
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Aug 30, 2008, 19:44
 
yeh i wouldnt hold your breath for it

btw, mr landfill expert - try taking a trip to your local city dump and telling them about your theories on biodegradability .. maybe they will spray you down with the chemical stew so you can get a firsthand taste of their efforts
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Paper bags are worse than plastic bags? I find it hard to believe. Do you have evidence supporting this?
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Aug 30, 2008, 16:24
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Actually paper bags are worse than plastic bags. It all goes in the landfill (unless you recycle in which case it doesn't matter) and landfills are designed NOT to let stuff biodegrade. There are garbage excavations they've done into landfills which dig up readable newspapers from 50 years ago.

That being the case, plastic takes up less VOLUME than paper bags, so we can have more room in a landfill, thus plastic is better.

I imagine similar arguments could be made about game packaging.

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Aug 30, 2008, 12:58
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I'm about 90% sure that forests used for logging in the US have grown in the past decades. The 10% is me unable to find a good source showing this.

thats true. more than 90% of wood sold in the US come from sustainable forests. meaning they are from second and third generation tree farms across the US. you can easily identify farmed wood by looking at so called "stretch" marks. these are long streaks which follow the grain of the wood. they are lighter discoloration on the wood caused by the enzymes used by suppliers to make the trees grow faster. wood from rain forests have none of this discoloration.

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Aug 30, 2008, 11:30
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cut down trees to save some plastic?

I'm about 90% sure that forests used for logging in the US have grown in the past decades. The 10% is me unable to find a good source showing this.

A logging company cannot log if they do not have trees, thus it is in their business interest to plant more.

Of course, there's still the rainforests which are being devastated, but the rate of logging would not change that much.

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Wow, a whole 4000 cars huh? The auto industry probably sells 4000 cars in a day. Greens are funny.
so what you're saying is, all we need are 352 1/4 small schemes like these? Wow indeed.


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Aug 30, 2008, 10:44
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cut down trees to save some plastic?

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Aug 30, 2008, 09:22
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I guess if they're serious about this, they'd use the same eco-friendly packaging for CDs and DVDs too.

actually they already have. you now have an option to buy paper packaging for CDs and DVDs at walmart. even though its a small selection of new releases.

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All everyone has to do is buy ATI's new video cards... They're just as fast and much more energy efficient than Nvidia's latest pointlessly overpowered twin-slot-with-vacumn-cleaner-attachment offering.

you obviously have never read any of the reviews for the 4000 series cards from ATI.

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Aug 30, 2008, 08:51
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All everyone has to do is buy ATI's new video cards... They're just as fast and much more energy efficient than Nvidia's latest pointlessly overpowered twin-slot-with-vacumn-cleaner-attachment offering.

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Eh, it's a start.
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Aug 30, 2008, 06:29
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This has nothing to do with being green, or enviroment friendly. Just marketing.


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Aug 30, 2008, 05:55
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Those big old cardboard boxes with a jewel case and a nice thick manual inside had some appeal though, don't you agree?

I guess if they're serious about this, they'd use the same eco-friendly packaging for CDs and DVDs too.

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it is trivial. given the power requirements of video cards it would make a much bigger difference if they just promoted budget and older games more than stuff like crysis.
Not that I want them to do that as such.
Of course the real carbon saving happens if everyone buys games direct on-line instead of having boxes pointlessly shipped around the world to stores...
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Greens are funny.

While I agree with your sentiment, this is Wal-Mart we're talking about...

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