Dawn of War II Free GFW Support

IGN has word from Microsoft explaining the absence of PC gaming news at E3, in spite of the staggering support they are throwing behind their "Games for Windows" program that has so taken the gaming world by storm. Kevin Unangst of the Games for Windows program describes the show as "the battle of the consoles," as if somehow this is unrelated to the fact that they seem to be de-emphasizing PC games. IGN also points out they've discovered that Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II will have "gold" level Games for Windows matchmaking support for free out of the box. They question why they learned this from Relic's community site, rather than a Microsoft announcement, getting the following response: "Don't confuse a focus on the console at E3 with a lack of news or impending announcements coming from us on the Windows side. E3 fundamentally is a console show and do you want to compete and rise above the din or do you want to go on the cadence that we think is important to communicate that out." While Kevin has "nothing to announce yet" about whether the premium fee is to be dropped from the GFW program, the explanation of what's going on with the Dawn of War sequel implies this may be the case:
It was important when we talked to Relic that they be able to bring that full, unapologetic multiplayer experience to their gamers. They wanted to announce the game coming to Games for Windows – Live at E3, so we have a relationship with them and that's what we worked out. You'll continue to see movement from us on this front relative to what else we may be doing with Games for Windows – Live sooner than later.
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E3 fundamentally sucks.

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As long as I can play it free over the net, I dont give a shit what service it is MS or BS, whatever DoW2 is going to rock

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So, Unangst shows once again why he is a joke as the person defending the PC.

Also, if Dawn of War 2 is going to need GfWL and SecuROM, they can shove it up their asses. I've had enough with CoH:OF, thanks. Great game, abysmal support.

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For me Games for Windows is synonymous with "charge pc gamers for things they used to get at no additional cost." "Gold level" games for windows matchmaking? Haven't I had "gold level" matchmaking for every single pc MP game with a buddy list at no additional cost before Games for Windows?

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E3 for consoles
Jul 17, 2008, 11:46
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thats news to me. i guess all those years i attended e3 i was going to the wrong show room floor.

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BOO!
Jul 17, 2008, 12:16
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I have a big hard on for anything Dawn of War related but this GFW thing is starting to make me soft

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Jul 17, 2008, 12:36
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thats news to me. i guess all those years i attended e3 i was going to the wrong show room floor.

I attended E3 05, and there sure wasn't an even split between PS3, Wii, XBox, and PC-- and this was before the PS3 and Wii were even playable.

Only place I really got to play with a PC was MS' GFW booth. Otherwise, it was a lot of PS2 games, the second generation of 360 games, and DS stuff for Nintendo.

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Need more cynical Blue

Also, I read the quote from MS several times and I still can't understand what he is trying to say.
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Jul 17, 2008, 12:53
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I attended E3 05...the second generation of 360 games
You must mean E3 2006 as the XBOX360 was only officially revealed at E3 05 and the only place to actually see it running was in Microsoft's and a few other publishers' private demos like EA's. The XBOX360 didn't actually ship until late November 2005.

As for Microsoft's comment that E3 is fundamentally a console show, that's only true because Microsoft decided to make it that way. In E3's of many years past, there was much more PC-focused content.

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http://play.tm/wire/click/2011026

List of games for PC shown at E3, and I can guarantee this is not even complete as 2 major titles off the top of my head aren't listed. Left 4 Dead and Dawn of War 2.

The lists for 360/PS3 aren't much longer.

Fact is, E3 with all their stupid new regulations severely limits developers/publishers in what they can show, and all but excludes smaller companies from even attending and displaying. Even some bigger games only get videos due to these restrictions.

E3 isnt a console event, but logical choices based on the new restrictions leads to far fewer PC displays and presentations.

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Jul 17, 2008, 13:10
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E3 isnt a console event, but logical choices based on the new restrictions leads to far fewer PC displays and presentations.

That and with almost every major PC developer/publisher jumping into other conventions like PAX and, oddly, SDCC, it wouldn't surprise me that in the next couple of years PC gaming at E3 will be done as a side-event.

The old E3 was a pretty decent mix, but like you said Dagok, the new E3 has far too many restrictions.

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http://play.tm/wire/click/2011026 ... List of games for PC shown at E3
That list is grossly misleading as at least 90% of those titles are cross-platform titles, and the versions demonstrated at E3 are most likely the console versions. The PC is not the focus of those titles.

this is not even complete
It's more complete than it is accurate as Bioshock (released last year) is on that list. Obviously that refers to the upcoming PS3 version of the game not the PC version.

E3 isnt a console event, but logical choices based on the new restrictions leads to far fewer PC displays and presentations.
That's bullshit because many of the announcements and displays of E3 including the major press conferences aren't technically part of the official event as they aren't held on the official E3 convention facilities. Therefore they aren't restricted by any of E3's rules. If Microsoft, Activision, or EA wanted to focus primarily on the PC at their events, they certainly could. The reason that these big presentations aren't focused on the PC has nothing to do with any E3 restrictions. It's based solely on the game companies' chosen focus based upon their game sales and perception of the market. That's why it's console centric. E3 is just mirroring the video game market.

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sounds like relic said 'either we give them the multiplayer we are making as is, or you can go fuck yourself'.

the GFW teams are in no position to be making any demands. fuck, they cant even make requests haha.

as for e3, i would say its a console show now. say what you will, but i do miss the old e3.

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90% of those titles are cross-platform titles

And maybe 80% on the console lists. Those lists are very similar. Point is, there are still plenty of PC games being shown and promoted, and yes we all know that this E3 inparticular is heavily focused on consoles. But it's not a "console show". I expect there will be major changes in the other direction for E3 next year, if E3 manages to even exist next year.

There are WAY too many "shows" to attend these days, and the companies just want 1 big show that everyone from around the world has to be at, E3 used to be it. Too many restrictions has swept the legs out from under it. Bring back the large open forum, put monitored booth sound restrictions in place and limit the number of booth babes per display/company.

The reason for fewer PC exclusives being shown comes with my other point about smaller developers no longer being able to attend the event.

If you don't have a big publisher, you don't get in....and even then you may only get a mention. Again, due to so many restrictions.

There are many great PC exclusive games coming (not just MMO's), but few have major publishers, or if they do, they aren't considered to be big enough to matter.

Do you think so many companies pulled out of E3 voluntarily because they liked the new restrictions? Or maybe it was because they didn't want to promote their products?

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Jul 17, 2008, 15:04
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And maybe 80% on the console lists. Those lists are very similar. Point is, there are still plenty of PC games being shown and promoted, and yes we all know that this E3 inparticular is heavily focused on consoles. But it's not a "console show". I expect there will be major changes in the other direction for E3 next year, if E3 manages to even exist next year.

yes, yes. 'officially' its not a console show. but if you have eyes and half a brain you can see it basically is.

cross-platform isnt really a pc game anyway. they are abortions and abortions dont count.

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CES used to be the go to source for console gaming starting way back for the Atari 2600.

E3 is becoming irrelevant, if it isn’t already.

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I'm not sure why so many gamers still consider E3 relevent, anymore. If anything interesting is revealed about a game I care about, and these days, it's a big "if," I'm going to see an easy to read line of text, at most a paragraph, about it when I open my browser and Blues pops up.

Where I work, everyone has a massive erection for E3, and they're taping it off of G4, and they're salivating in front of the broadcast like Jesus is going to bleed into their cups.

I just don't see the point in putting all that effort into paying attention to it when I can use this magical thing called the "Internet" to screen any information I care about and then go back to playing the games I haven't yet had time to finish.

As far as GFW goes, who cares? If you don't have a use for the Gold-level features, don't pay for it and play the damn game. Matchmaking is useless on PC games anyway since we have server browsers, and I use "server browser" here as a synonym for "functionality." There hasn't been much ridiculous extremism in this thread over it (yet,) but I know there's enough anti-Microsoft sentiment going around the intarwebs for plenty of people to declare they're boycotting GFW games over this issue and blah blah blaaaaaahhh. All that's going to do is convince developers they can't make money on PC games instead of shitty cookie-cutter console generic crap like Halo. Buy the game and don't pay for the silly gold membership and the worst thing that happens is, Microsoft keeps wasting money trying to push it. The BEST thing that happens, they realize no one cares and get rid of the excess garbage.

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Jul 17, 2008, 18:59
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You must mean E3 2006 as the XBOX360 was only officially revealed at E3 05 and the only place to actually see it running was in Microsoft's and a few other publishers' private demos like EA's. The XBOX360 didn't actually ship until late November 2005.

Shucks, I knew I should have asked the wonderful BN commenters what year I experienced something.

The PS3 showed off some lame video with pre-rendered shit, nothing was said about Revolution, and the 360 was out on display, playable, in the MS booth and the EA booth. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614690p1.html

Although I really do appreciate attempting to be corrected about something that I actually did.

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Point is, there are still plenty of PC games being shown and promoted
No, the point is there aren't. The games which are being promoted are console games and even the cross-platform games which supposedly have PC versions are being demonstrated and promoted on consoles instead. The PC ports can end up being very different games since they frequently have delayed releases and they sometimes even end up being bastardized versions of the game since features found in the console versions get cut, e.g. EA and Disney games.

and yes we all know that this E3 inparticular is heavily focused on consoles. But it's not a "console show".
LOL! First, you are arguing semantics. Being heavily focused on consoles does make E3 a console show. One or two PC exclusive games shown at the show doesn't change that. PC games are a distant afterthought and even the cross-platform titles are being demonstrated on consoles. Second, it's not just this particular E3 which is console focused. Since 2006, E3 has been very console centric especially with the release of the XBOX360, PS3, and Wii. The last E3 I can remember that had a strong showing of PC exclusive or at least PC-centric games was E3 2005 with games like Crysis, Prey, F.E.A.R., Quake 4, Quake Wars, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault, City of Villains, and Guild Wars. Sure some of those games turned out to be duds, but there was still plenty of hype around those PC games and others at that E3. This year there is nothing like that for PC game consumers.

I expect there will be major changes in the other direction for E3 next year, if E3 manages to even exist next year.
I don't expect that trend to change because video game consumers are simply buying too many console games for publishers not to favor that market. As for E3 existing next year, I bet it won't because I expect the exodus of companies from the ESA to continue. The ESA dues are simply too high for the return on investment.

Too many restrictions has swept the legs out from under it. Bring back the large open forum, put monitored booth sound restrictions in place and limit the number of booth babes per display/company.
Booth babes weren't the problem (because they do actually draw attention to the games) and sound restrictions were already in place years ago (though not enforced as diligently as they could have been). E3 simply needs to go back to a larger venue and open up more access to the show. Having a small, closed show is simply counter to the main goal of a trade show which is to draw widespread and mainstream attention to the products.

The reason for fewer PC exclusives being shown comes with my other point about smaller developers no longer being able to attend the event.
The fact that only the smaller developers are doing PC exclusive games proves my point that it's not E3's restrictions that have caused it to become basically a console show. It's the large developers and publishers. Back when E3 was affordable for the smaller developers and publishers, they were never the main focus of the show. Yes, it was a good place for them to get some exposure, but their games weren't the primary focus. So, even if they were at E3 today, they would still be drowned out by the din of the console game announcements.

If you don't have a big publisher, you don't get in....and even then you may only get a mention. Again, due to so many restrictions.
Again, it not the E3 show restrictions that cause this. It's the publishers. They are prioritizing their demonstrations at the show based upon their development efforts, and like it or not, those are mainly focused on the consoles.

There are many great PC exclusive games coming (not just MMO's)
Such as?

Do you think so many companies pulled out of E3 voluntarily because they liked the new restrictions?
It wasn't the restrictions. It was the money. The price of entry to E3 is too high for the small companies and even some of the larger ones passed due to the costs.

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Hurray Relic!
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and FUCK Kevin Fuckangst.

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