Creston: Regarding the WH40k game and licence WH40K MMO is being developed by another studio under the patronage of THQ.
In other word WH40K has nothing to do with Mythic.

I have to disagree with both of you regarding AoC.

AoC is fun for a while. But there is no reward to keep me coming for more, the loot drops are mediocre at best. Quest rewards are too powerful. the PvE is fun on the quests which are meant to be soloable and totally frustrating and tedious (with a few notable exceptions) on the party quests.

Dont get me even started on the PvP which is the sole reason i bought this game. Aside from the fact that you can be ganked and gank pretty much anyone (which is refreshing for an MMO) there is no real death penalty and no real incentive for PvPing.

All in all AoC had about 50-60% missing content on launch.
This for some reason is acceptable to the MMO playing masses but has left me frustrated and miserable and ready to pretty much cancel my subscritption

I still say they should've gone with WH 40k instead....

A 40K MMORPG is in the works. After this stupid decision of theirs, I don't hold out much hope for it.

Creston

10$ gas would be great actually...
Higher prices equal lighting a fire under peeps asses to do something else

Because after all, gas prices ONLY affect those people who have no business being on the road. It doesn't, in any way , affect those people whose food bill doubles in a year, who can't afford their energy bill anymore because the power company simply passes through the 10$/gallon gas costs, etc.

No, you're right man, that would be fucking AWESOME if half the people in the country starve or freeze to death!

Creston

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Creston

Your comment regarding AoC is extreme. They have bugs, they have balance issues... but all of the classes have their place in the game and are quite capable in PVP or PVE if played/spec'd properly (as is expected).

I have to agree with this. Sure there are some issues, but there is certainly nothing game breaking. Every class is fun as heck to play. And its only getting better all the time. I can't speak for Warhammer because I haven't played it, but I'm having a blast with AoC. And considering the amount of people, guilds and guild cities there are on just the one server I play on, I have to say its definitely a big success so far despite all the QQ'ers on forums.

Your comment regarding AoC is extreme. They have bugs, they have balance issues... but all of the classes have their place in the game and are quite capable in PVP or PVE if played/spec'd properly (as is expected).

Plenty of major changes were made to WoW, and pretty much every other MMO ever released, during the closed beta phase just few months before release - you just never hear about them because the developers typically don't have the balls to come out and say "hey, we realized some of the things in our game sucked ass, and we got rid of them".

I appreciate the fact that Mythic is deciding to cut the crap instead of shipping a game that has more "stuff" but none of it is any good. If they had included those 4 classes for release, and they all were unbalanced and completely frustrating to play, would that have been any better then just not including them at all and focusing on making the game fun and balanced from the get go? Especially considering this game is built around PvP, and class balance may be the difference between having a fun and challenging experience, or just getting completely smoked all the time with nothing you could do about it.

Age of Conan, to give a recent example, was released with imbalances so enormous that half the classes may as well have not been in the game at all - and they even cut a few classes in closed beta, too. A terrible situation that should be avoided at all costs.

I still say they should've gone with WH 40k instead....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does in fact seem as if Warhammer 40k is far more popular than Warhammer, so a Warhammer 40k game would make sense. *actually, I think one was announced already anyways, but won't come out for years*

However, it seems historical based MMOs are more popular than futuristic setting MMOs, so it's a wash. They obviously just went with what they thought would bring in the most revenue.

If this was Blizzard they would have extended the release date OR, more likely, pulled the plug on it all together.

If it was Blizzard, they would have had the scope more narrowed to a tighter focus to begin with; can't argue with that. But at the same time, World of Warcraft wasn't done when it came out either. Talent trees were introduced very close to launch, and some classes had extreme re-works within the first year that the game was out. Battlegrounds like Mythic is taking out weren't even in WoW yet when it shipped, and so on.

WoW is a good example that Blizzard most certainly will ship a game before it's buffed and polished and completed to perfection. People like to look at it with rose colored glasses, but the launch of that game was extremely rough around the edges.

You see, this steaming pile of shit is actually a bouquet of roses.

And this steaming pile of shit is actually a litter of puppies.

And this steaming pile of shit....

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Unfinished quests and accessible-via-clipping areas are not the same as removing 4 major cities and 4 classes. There's no comparison... sorry.

If this was Blizzard they would have extended the release date OR, more likely, pulled the plug on it all together.

From what I remember of WoW, there are several unfinished areas you can glitch yourself into, or at least you used to be able to.
Examples that come to mind: Old Ironforge and the airfield above the mountains. I've seen a couple other areas in other zones too.
And unfinished quests and other content.
Take the smiling John or Jim (where they burn down his bar) quest for example, I don't remember them finishing that quest, which came out at launch wasn't it, until around 2 years later. And how many other quests, from launch, seem to just stop without a resolution. And how many times has Blizzard gone on about how they'd absolutely LOVE to get this old, meant to be out when game launched content finished, but well we just have to put out the next expansion to make more money?

I still say they should've gone with WH 40k instead....

40k ala the Planetside model. No loot just bullets and melee!!

I'm not into fantasy RPG MMOG's at all. Are a lot of people anticipating this or is it being met with indifference?


I still say they should've gone with WH 40k instead....

Please sign Mark Jacobs up for English 101, and then give him some pills for whatever anxiety disorder he is inflicted by while responding to press announcements.

Oh, and nice spin, would have been an expert attempt if it wasn't so blatantly obvious.

Looks like he used the "Chewbacca Defense" to try and defend against negative feedback regarding the decision to cut content.

Plus this is just another sign that this game is NOT fun. And I am a huge Warhammer fan...have been since mid 80s...sucks to see it.

10$ gas would be great actually...
Higher prices equal lighting a fire under peeps asses to do something else:)

So if I'm reading this right, they are taking out 4 of 6 cities, then they are going to do a round robin of 2 cities every so often?

So they're not actually going to have all 6 cities in the game at one time, but just have 2 of the 6 at a time, with the city pairing changing according to their whim?

When designers start making huge changes to the core game design just before the game is supposed to be released, its always a bad sign. This shit should have been solidified BEFORE the game went into beta. A beta is for making balancing changes NOT for testing game design ideas.

If this was Blizzard they would have extended the release date OR, more likely, pulled the plug on it all together.