Out of the Blue

I'd already been warned by trusted sources, but finally seeing Spider-Man 3 last night disappointed me nonetheless. There were too many things wrong to count, and a lot of stuff that had the potential to be better, but still didn't come out right. The whole thing was basically a giant mess: A huge surprise from a director who seemed to "get it" so well. Hopefully if Sam does return for a fourth go 'round he'll get back on track.

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Jun 9, 2008, 10:25
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Jun 9, 2008, 10:25
 
Where the Buffalo Roam was great. Maybe you didn't see it in the "right mindset"?

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Jun 9, 2008, 09:35
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Jun 9, 2008, 09:35
 
Spiderman 3 was the only movie my ex wife and I ever thought about walking out on.
"Where the Buffalo Roam" -- only film I have ever walked out of the theater on. #1 on my list of "Worst films I paid to see."


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Jun 9, 2008, 09:04
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Jun 9, 2008, 09:04
 
Spot on, I agree with this. Transformers was what I expected, an action packed special effects completely-unrelated-to-the-original spectacle, but a spectable nonetheless.

I don't know. I had 2 problems w/ the recent Transformers movie:
  • Too little 'bot screentime, too much human screentime. Obviously the human story needs to be there, but I think the 'bots should have gotten more time on the screen.
  • Back. Yard. Scene. I mean come on, I know they are trying to target a younger audience but that was beyond lame. 2.5 story robots trying to "hide," destroying the yard, etc. A bit too far in my opinion. Plus the whole urination thing.
  • "Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you."
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Jun 9, 2008, 08:51
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Jun 9, 2008, 08:51
 
agreed, Transformers was almost exactly what I expected, with the exceptions of that terrible garden scene and the entire "code cracking" subplot.
Spot on, I agree with this. Transformers was what I expected, an action packed special effects completely-unrelated-to-the-original spectacle, but a spectable nonetheless.

Agree with all the other posters here about X3 and SM3, they both blow. In X3, the part where they had to make their "last stand", it was so cheesy that I think I saw Hugh Jackman cringe. And Toby Mcguire, well I thought he was a good actor until SM3. SM3 should have been totally about either venom or sandman, but not both. The venom saga was long, so I didn't think they would be able to fit all of it into one movie, and I was right.

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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3
Jun 9, 2008, 08:30
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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3 Jun 9, 2008, 08:30
Jun 9, 2008, 08:30
 
I got to see Spider-Man 3 for free, and I still felt ripped off. I got a free ticket at a booth at a tech seminar in California, and saw it the week it opened.

They tried doing too much and in the end it was a mess. Had they kept it to Sandman and/or Harry Osborn it would have been a decent flick. Sandman had the whole sympathetic villain thing going on, and treated right he could have been a real interesting story. Meanwhile Harry could have been OK but I found him even more annoying than in Spider-Man 2.

Instead we had 3 villain storylines going on at the same time (not to mention the 2+ Peter Parker storylines), and none of them got the treatment they deserved.
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Jun 9, 2008, 02:39
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Jun 9, 2008, 02:39
 
I don't remember Juggernaut ever having any sort of dialogue like that or have the physique of a roid rage case.

To be fair, there was only one way they could accurately depict Juggernaut: CGI. They probably didn't want to spend the time or money on that so they just made cheap prosthetics instead.

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Jun 9, 2008, 01:45
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Jun 9, 2008, 01:45
 
Maybe it's because my enjoyment of the comic book movies is based on the movie instead of the comics themselves - I read through a few now and then, but lived in the country and never bought more than maybe a handful (including a Captain America, Rom, and maybe one or two others). I never really had a chance to follow the characters at all, just dabbled in whatever comic was at a grocery store when I had a couple minutes. I was way too busy reading the Hardy Boys and actually doing stuff outdoors.

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Jun 9, 2008, 01:28
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Jun 9, 2008, 01:28
 Dev
 
Blue you messed up on copy/paste for that portal tattoo link, here's the correct one:
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Jun 9, 2008, 00:17
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Jun 9, 2008, 00:17
 
Missing some great graphic novel redux, guys! Road to Perdition, A History of Violence...

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Jun 9, 2008, 00:15
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Jun 9, 2008, 00:15
 
How was X3's Juggernaut anything like Bane? Last time I checked, Bane didn't run around saying "I'M THE BANE, BITCH!"

I don't remember Juggernaut ever having any sort of dialogue like that or have the physique of a roid rage case.

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Jun 9, 2008, 00:05
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Jun 9, 2008, 00:05
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Hellboy, maybe because I wasn't expecting much.

Same here - I went in with very low expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. I'm looking forward to the sequel...


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Jun 8, 2008, 23:47
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Jun 8, 2008, 23:47
 
They killed off a major character(not talking about "her"), "Baned" Juggernaut and ruined the whole "Dark Phoenix" thing.

How was X3's Juggernaut anything like Bane? Last time I checked, Bane didn't run around saying "I'M THE BANE, BITCH!"

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Jun 8, 2008, 23:40
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Jun 8, 2008, 23:40
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I never was a comic book reader but still really enjoyed the first two movies of both Spiderman and X-men (haven't seen the last version of either). Those and Batman Begins were great but perhaps my favorite of all of them was Hellboy, maybe because I wasn't expecting much.

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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3
Jun 8, 2008, 23:37
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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3 Jun 8, 2008, 23:37
Jun 8, 2008, 23:37
 
Raimi has stated many times before that he didn't find the character interesting, but he had to put him in.

Just because he was forced to put Venom in doesn't mean he had to completely screw up the character. He totally glossed over the "lethal protector" aspect of Venom and made him out to be a regular, one-dimensional villain. It's like he didn't know anything about the character or his motivations, which would explain why he didn't find him interesting. The terrible portrayal of Venom annoyed me more than anything else in the film.

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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3
Jun 8, 2008, 23:14
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Re: X3 & Spider-Man 3 Jun 8, 2008, 23:14
Jun 8, 2008, 23:14
 
The real problem wasn't trying to tell the saga in two hours, the real problem was the studio taking a hell or high water approach so that X3 would open before Superman Returns.

FOX was livid when Bryan Singer (the director of the first two X-Men films) wanted to do Superman Returns before X3, despite FOX not even announcing X3. They rushed this film out and punished those who were working on Superman. None of the screenwriters of X2 were involved in X3 and what happened to Cyclops character in X3 was because James Marsden was also in Superman, that's why X3 ended the way it did. They also brought in Simon Kinberg (writer of xXx: State of the Union) to co-write the screenplay and Brett Ratner to direct, as people with talent were smart enough to see it as the train wreck it was and bailed from the project (Matthew Vaughn).

After X2 was a big hit, they should have announced X3 and kept the same talent, but they waited too long.

Also, the previous commenter is right about Avi Arad wanting Venom in Spider-Man 3. Raimi has stated many times before that he didn't find the character interesting, but he had to put him in.

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Jun 8, 2008, 22:48
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agreed, Transformers was almost exactly what I expected, with the exceptions of that terrible garden scene and the entire "code cracking" subplot.
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Jun 8, 2008, 22:31
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Jun 8, 2008, 22:31
 
While I won't defend SM3 with my life, I will contend that I've seen much worse sequels.

X-Men 3 sucked. They killed off a major character(not talking about "her"), "Baned" Juggernaut and ruined the whole "Dark Phoenix" thing. There wasn't a single alien. The only good thing about the whole movie was Kelsey Grammar(sp?) as Beast.

And what's wrong with Transformers? How could that movie undo the sheer terror that was the dance scene in Transformers: The Movie? I thought it was awesome. Giant robot battles in metropolitan areas, cool beans.

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Jun 8, 2008, 21:13
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All 3 of the X-Men movies were good, and Spidey 2 in particular was one of the best comic movies ever. Iron Man was pretty good, too

Agreed. I don't mind some liberties - they are making a film and don't have the time or space to fit everything in.

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Jun 8, 2008, 21:03
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From what I read, SPIDER-MAN 3's problem was with producer Avi Arad. Where Sam Raimi's original plan was to solely have Sandman as the villain, Arad forced him to shoehorn in Venom and Gwen Stacy as well. Hence the formula for another bloated disaster.

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Jun 8, 2008, 20:38
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I thought the XMen movies were hokey and horrible.. too "bright" and chipper in feeling, even when trying to be dark and mean.
Spiderman 3 was the only movie my ex wife and I ever thought about walking out on.. and we are the kinds of people who love every movie.
that whole bad tobey bit was fucking terrible.. the jazz club scene, the crying on the bridge and every cliche ever written was in the movie.
ugh. terrible.

now.. Hellboy 2 looks good!

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