3DMark Vantage Released

Futuremark now offers 3DMark Vantage, the latest installment in their benchmark series. The benchmark suite is available in four flavors, including a free trial edition, which will allow a single set of test results. This press release has full details on the Vista (SP1)-only release, which is focused on evaluating the performance of DirectX 10 and multi-core CPUs.
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Re: Vista only? lol...
Apr 29, 2008, 22:16
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Re: Vista only? lol... Apr 29, 2008, 22:16
Apr 29, 2008, 22:16
 
When I read hardware reviews (for vid cards, cpu, harddrives, whatever) my eyes glaze over the 3dmark benches because they're meaningless to me.

Current and older games at different resolutions and settings mean something to me because it's real world and I understand the numbers (frames per second). I've never understood what a single 3dmark score actually meant.

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Re: Vista only? lol...
Apr 29, 2008, 10:04
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Re: Vista only? lol... Apr 29, 2008, 10:04
Apr 29, 2008, 10:04
 
I guess I wasn't as clear as possible when I wrote my previous post, or I chose the wrong word "optimising" isn't the right word I guess. "Optimising" suggests that in delivering drivers that push scores up in 3dmark, those same drivers will do the same in games, which would be the case ideally. However the problem is that 3dmark isnt a "real world" benchmark. It isn't even a complete game engine. Heck, at best it's a techdemo. And one that is specifically written to take advantage of the latest hardware. It's not written with a gameplay mechanic in mind.

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Re: Vista only? lol...
Apr 29, 2008, 09:39
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Re: Vista only? lol... Apr 29, 2008, 09:39
Apr 29, 2008, 09:39
 
The problem with 3dmark and any other commercial benchmarking software is that it is supposed to be impartial but in fact it CAN'T BE! You see Nvidia & AMD have both written driver's in the past (and I see no reason they won't in the future) that directly optimise the performance of their relative hardware with 3dmark.

Translation: They cheat.
Nv and AMD also optimize their drivers for real games too, I don't call that cheating, I call it making games run faster on their cards - which is sort of the point really.

I ran 3dmark in the past to test system updates, just to make sure performance went up.
As I'm pretty sure performance and usability will go down if I install vista then I won't be tempted to download the new one.
I wonder how much MS paid them to make it Vista only? since we know virtually all the highest features in Crysis can be enabled on XP because they are shader effects, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you send a shader program to your video card and apply it to a surface, then it doesn't matter if you use DX9 or DX10 or OpenGL - the shader will run( providing your hardware supports it ).

Obviously MS love this Vista exclusive sh*t but in this case it's perfect because it's a benchmark that no one can compare running on XP to running on Vista!

We know the 3dmark people are big MS fans already though, that's why they only test DX performance and not OpenGL as well. I bet ATI/AMD love that too, since until very recently ATI's OpenGL drivers sucked!
Using DX means they have no interest in other OS's such as MacOS or Linux.

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Re: Vista only? lol...
Apr 29, 2008, 06:53
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Re: Vista only? lol... Apr 29, 2008, 06:53
Apr 29, 2008, 06:53
 
The problem with 3dmark and any other commercial benchmarking software is that it is supposed to be impartial but in fact it CAN'T BE! You see Nvidia & AMD have both written driver's in the past (and I see no reason they won't in the future) that directly optimise the performance of their relative hardware with 3dmark.

Translation: They cheat.

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Re: Vista only? lol...
Apr 29, 2008, 01:29
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Re: Vista only? lol... Apr 29, 2008, 01:29
Apr 29, 2008, 01:29
 
Pffffft! Welp, so much for that. If they want me to switch to POS Vista, they're gonna have to do a hell of a lot better than some benchmarking program.

what if theres a nude picture of megan fox at the end of the benchmark?

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Apr 28, 2008, 21:56
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Apr 28, 2008, 21:56
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LOL!! I've been reading comments on other forums, EVEN IF YOU PAY FOR IT... it STILL shows ads when you run it!

Yeah, lemme pay so I can be bombarded by ads. Sounds like EA.

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Vista only? lol...
Apr 28, 2008, 20:11
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Vista only? lol... Apr 28, 2008, 20:11
Apr 28, 2008, 20:11
 
"Note: 3DMark Vantage requires Windows Vista and DirectX10 Compliant graphics card, and does not work in any other operating systems or with sub-DX10 graphics cards."
Pffffft! Welp, so much for that. If they want me to switch to POS Vista, they're gonna have to do a hell of a lot better than some benchmarking program.

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Apr 28, 2008, 19:02
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Apr 28, 2008, 19:02
 
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Apr 28, 2008, 15:39
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Apr 28, 2008, 15:39
 
It used to be a good way of verifying performance boosts from tweaks and/or upgrades. You could take a pre-change benchmark then compare it with post-change. Of course, you could do this with virtually any free game benchmark, so it's pretty useless now.
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Apr 28, 2008, 14:57
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Apr 28, 2008, 14:57
 
Heres a bulletin for you, games don't either. Theres no one game out there that could give you a perfect prediction of how a video card will preform on OTHER games.

Not quite. Many games use the same engine, like UE3 or Source. If a game using that engine runs well on your machine, chances are that other games using that engine will run well too.

In addition, 3DMark is useless as a benchmark because unlike games, it is never representative of actual game performance. When I benchmark a game, it's usually a game I actually play so the performance results are relevant.

As a stability tester, 3DMark is useful but not worth paying for.

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Re: No subject
Apr 28, 2008, 14:56
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Apr 28, 2008, 14:56
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Cabezone: Well thats still possible... as long as you dont mind not having a score to do it. Like see if those new drivers improved graphics performance or decreased it won't be possible anymore without paying for it.

The free trial only lets you get a score ONCE, any more and you must pay.

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Apr 28, 2008, 14:46
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Apr 28, 2008, 14:46
 
3dmark is a decent tool to use in a troubleshooting process and/or check to make sure your new card/drivers are up to snuff. I've used it to identify problems with drivers and video cards before.
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who cares
Apr 28, 2008, 14:17
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who cares Apr 28, 2008, 14:17
Apr 28, 2008, 14:17
 
if you want to benchmark your system fire up crysis.

3d mark is so 2003. When people used to have lan parties and it was cool to load up 3d mark and show off your scores.

I stopped using 3d mark a few years ago. have not touched it since. and I want to see real results from games. not a benchmarking program that takes bribes to make a higher score better on one set of hardware then another.

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Apr 28, 2008, 14:09
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Apr 28, 2008, 14:09
 
The first demo was just ok - the people looked horribly wrong...Crysis is much much more impressive. However, the material physics for the tarps and water was easily the most impressive I've seen in a real-time demo!

The second demo with the space battle was fricken awesome though.



Just to clarify for everyone - you can run the benchmark as many times as you want. It only allows you to submit your results for a score one time though.

In other words - pirating it would be pointless because you still won't be able to check your score more than one time. It's pretty lame, but whatever - I'm running it for the pretty graphics, not for my e-penis.

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Apr 28, 2008, 13:26
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Apr 28, 2008, 13:26
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E-Penis of P4481 3DMarks here. I installed Vista a few months back when SP1 RTM was leaked and I'm happy with it.


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Re: No subject
Apr 28, 2008, 13:02
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Apr 28, 2008, 13:02
 
3dmark has a variety of uses, its fine if you dont understand them, just don't think you'll come across as the messiah of video card knowledge by doing so.

Its benchmarking aspect is fine.. sure it may not be the perfect benchmark..but nothing is! People claim because its not actually a game, that it can't accurately reflect game performance. Heres a bulletin for you, games don't either. Theres no one game out there that could give you a perfect prediction of how a video card will preform on OTHER games.

3dmark has other uses as well (bonus!). You can use it on a fresh install to diagnose that all your drivers are in place. Sudden drops in performances can reveal missing or wrong drivers installed some where.

You can also use it on systems with non-common video chipsets to reveal what 3d functions it can accuratly do.

Stability test, 3dmark is generaly more stable then those cutting edge games making it an ideal burn in tester for new rigs.



Edit: However..the one time trial use thing is going to make me pass go..collect $200.. and look for a cracked version. thats just retarded.

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Re: No subject
Apr 28, 2008, 12:59
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Apr 28, 2008, 12:59
 
What a rip... I installed it and ran the benchmark (remember you only get one run EVER with the trial/free version) but it never even gave me my damn score. It couldn't connect to Futuremark's ORB server after trying for almost 15 minutes and the program itself won't score you, you *have* to go to ORB apparently.

So basically, my one shot down the tubes; no score.

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:47
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Apr 28, 2008, 12:47
 
I usually use it to test the stability of my self-build system and to test what overclocking threshold I can reach before it becomes unstable.

It's nice to know where your system is ranked and what areas can still be improved.

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Apr 28, 2008, 12:43
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Apr 28, 2008, 12:43
 
Okay good. I said to myself: "Self, you better check with the Blue's News morality police before pirating this software. If its a product they don't like, it'll be okay."

But in all seriousness, 3DMark is so useless. I like to run it once when a new version comes out just to see the pretty graphics then I never look at it again.

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Re: No subject
Apr 28, 2008, 12:40
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Apr 28, 2008, 12:40
 
No.

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