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Downfall |
Nov 2, 2007, 01:29 |
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Go ahead, keep scaring away what few devoted PC developers there are out there. When Garriot, Roper, Spector, and Molyneux all pack up and head for the 360/ps3/wii, just remember it is people like *you* who are to blame for it.
So we should thank William Roper for selecting us, loyal PC gamers, for being victims of prison sex?
As a gamer of nearly 30 years (first gaming machine was a Hanimex TV game) I can use nearly all of that experience to tell you to go fuck yourself. If those developers want to move over to consoles they're in for a big shock. They've been mostly superceded by developers with more creativity and enthusiasm for the hobby than their burned-out/washed-out selves will ever be able to muster.
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 09:25 |
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The other fact is that the PC used to be the breeding ground for innovative titles that pushed boundaries and took risks, probably because consoles weren't that established...
Well now haven't times changed. I can't think of one prominent innovative non-mmorpg pc-exclusive title, but I can think of heaps coming to console only. (Maybe you could argue for Crysis or Relic and Massive's rts efforts). - Actually Stalker would fit this criteria, buggy as it was it was still a solid effort.
MGS4, SM Galaxy, Army of 2, and loosely Haze, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Kane and Lynch, Rock Band, all pushing new areas...
new control schemes are also helping.
We used to be flooded with the likes of Quake, GTA, CRPGs, Battlezones, worms, syndicate, dungeon keeper, Half-Life, sim city, system shock, thief, deus ex, NOLF,
all we have left is Strategy, Casual, Simulators and MMORPG games. Oh and of course a flood of derivative FPS, which are largely aimed at consoles regardless. (at the very least modified to work on consoles).
This has nothing to do with me being bitter about the majority of games being under 8 hours in length, buggy, over-simplified, derivative and many with convoluted subsidisation schemes, and expensive extra content that used to be free only a scant few years ago as normal.
Gaming is going the way of the console... and the least I could do is publicly spew venom towards the companies such as Flagship which are trying to turn the PC gaming industry into the nickel and diming joke of micro-transactions and low-value content that is majorately console gaming, and the people who will happily eat it up like Bizarro suggesting a subscription model for BF2 would be a decent idea (here's an idea - BF2/2142 WAS an episodic model! did you forget about all the shitty add-on packs that were released for BF2 that lasted about a week online while the game-hurting bugs are still present today? Or the way EA dumped BF2 pretty much the instant 2142 was out) All the while at the same time I will praise the companies pumping out decent, fathomable, interesting games with some semblence of originality or innovation in them without pandering to a mainstream console audience.
If you think I am causing the downfall of PC gaming, well... I'll see you on xbox live.
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 08:46 |
AhrimaaN |
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Who exactly is still loyal to us PC gamers?
let's see.. lionhead is going console, wright is going console, blizzard are going the way of mmorpg (though SC2 is a promising choice), epic are consolising, bioware are consolising or mmorpging, ea are buying up any company worth their salt and we know what that leads to...
The only prominent developers I think sticking to pc without mmorpging... (and of course this in dimishing fashion as time goes by) that are still making decent games are
id
irrational/2kboston/brisbane (not entirely)
valve (to a much lesser extent)
Crytek (not really a prominent/proven developer, just developers of some hot, hyped up software)
Relic
Massive
Meier
A few others of games I'm not personal fans of
I buy games that are decent (largely polished), have some substance to them as well as some length, and don't have fucked up additional pricing model's like in-game advertising.
The sad fact is I am buying more console games these days as there are just more of them, and they are polished to a greater degree.
Feel free to blame me for what you think is causing the decline in PC gaming.. but I don't buy it...
I'm not the retard happy to sit by and watch our industry (and happily pay for it) be converted into a $ per minute exercise in entertainment gratification and nothing more where execs are happy to pump out short games riddled with bugs and more and more advertising. It never used to be about the cash, but of course now it is. THAT is killing the pc games industry...
and a healthy dose of MS and EA decisions...
How am I calling for the heads of the developers still with us by ragging on about Flagship/Roper? Flagship aren't with us, they are the prime culprit of the shittest pay system a game has ever seen...
Garriot is mmorpg, so he is obviously going to stick with pc.
Who knows what the hell Spector is cooking up, Molyneux is already headed for consoles.
Fact is there aren't many developers to be loyal with these days. The good thing is that the small fresh companies mainly from eastern block countries are still making it worthwhile to be a pc gamer along with the very limited long-standing western developers.
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 08:36 |
nin |
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When Garriot, Roper, Spector, and Molyneux all pack
Roper and Molyneux can pack their bags, as far as I'm concerned.
If you keep buying the same crap, where is their incentive to take risks and do something different?
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 07:14 |
grudgebearer |
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Icewind
When Garriot, Roper, Spector, and Molyneux all pack up and head for the 360/ps3/wii, just remember it is people like *you* who are to blame for it.
And new developers with fresh ideas will step up to take their places if they leave.
These guys have made some amazing strides in PC gaming in their day, but lets face it the crap they have been churning out in their later years doesn't really stand up to the quality products that they used to create. |
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 03:07 |
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So you are saying we should give more money for shorter games with more bugs Icewind? Seriously, Demos used to be more than 5-10 min in length and a quality game wasn't over in less than a day. And for this bug ridden shorter content prices are increasing.
Besides, PC gamers don't bitch NEARLY as bad as console gamers... the 12 year olds dominating console forums are quite scary.
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Re: No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 02:18 |
Icewind |
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You sir, are a dumb fuck. people like you are what's killing the 'quality' gaming industry as you're happy to sit on your arse and happily feed money to people who make games that are nigh on 10 hours long or buggy.
Actually, speaking as a PC gamer of 23 years, I say it's people like YOU ahrimann, who are the reason we are in such a "bad way" right now. People like you who whine, cry, curse, belittle, flame, and call for the heads of the designers who are still loyal to us. Designers that COULD go and develop for the 360 and/or Wii, but have decided to stick with the PC even though people like you continually harass them and act like you know the industry.
You are just another basement dwelling troglodyte, and your pompous attitude proves this to be true.
Go ahead, keep scaring away what few devoted PC developers there are out there. When Garriot, Roper, Spector, and Molyneux all pack up and head for the 360/ps3/wii, just remember it is people like *you* who are to blame for it.
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No subject |
Nov 1, 2007, 00:15 |
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Bizarro's the guy who spent 3 grand on a computer, so I imagine the guy is swimming in cash.
For the rest of us, we like to spend our money wisely, because it doesnt come in endless supply's. I certainly don't feel guilty about getting what I paid for, and a $50 game is anything but a bargain even if lasts me years. What it is, assuming it provides that much entertainment, is a gaurentee of a future customer assuming you dont ass rape me with subscription charges on future installments.
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Re: Wow |
Oct 31, 2007, 23:20 |
Pumas |
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So tell me, does the Flagcaptain go down with this particular Flagship? 
What an effing joke.
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Re: No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 19:39 |
AhrimaaN |
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I would have loved to see a subscription model for that game and in fact FOR ANY game that goes beyond the normal 8-12 hours of fun
You sir, are a dumb fuck. people like you are what's killing the 'quality' gaming industry as you're happy to sit on your arse and happily feed money to people who make games that are nigh on 10 hours long or buggy.
I remember when games were a slight challenge, I remember when medium difficulty was the norm for a fair challenge, and I remember when games were longer than 6-8 hours and shareware had at least a good few hours entertainment.
People like you that boil down gaming into a $$$ per minute entertainment medium are retards of the highest order, and the reason gaming is still not taken seriously as a medium. This mindset is exactly what is bringing about episodic and subscription based financial models...
How many copies of Fifa/Madden do you have back there?
Hellgate deserves all the raping it is receiving and I too hope it dies an utter painful death the likes of which Sin:episodes was for instance, never to be heard of again.
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Re: Trick or Treat! |
Oct 31, 2007, 19:28 |
The Half Elf |
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Hey at least Bill Roper just asked for 150, instead of a Ivory Tower *coughRomerocough*
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Re: Trick or Treat! |
Oct 31, 2007, 19:07 |
nin |
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Votes? I vote for Dumb-fuckery : London.
I nominate "Hell-Fuckery: Dumb London"
edit: Optional subtitle: "Bill Roper is going to make you his bitch when you cough up $150 for lifetime membership, plus $50 for the game, and still get fucking ads. Oh and expansions are extra."
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No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 18:17 |
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My opinion on this is very simple...
If I get more than 8-10 hours of fun out of a game than I consider it a bargain at $50. If I play it a considerable time beyond that without paying extra then I consider myself lucky.
For example I played BF2 many hundreds of hours. I almost feel bad about how much fun/enjoyment I got out of this game for a measly 50 bucks.
I would have loved to see a subscription model for that game and in fact FOR ANY game that goes beyond the normal 8-12 hours of fun and becomes something of an ongoing hobby. Its the only way to ensure ongoing support and regular content updates.
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Re: No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 18:13 |
space captain |
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That's very clever, space captain, except it completely misses the point. I like the game, I'm not the one wasting my time reading and talking about something I apparently don't care about at all. The story was up for a matter of minutes and people were already jumping in with the "LOL I told yuo it wuld bom" stuff when the game has been released for hours. A lot of the complaints are ignorant and many are completely contrary to the facts, so it's clearly just bitching because there's a common audience to complain with.
it only misses the point for you, because you cant see it in the first place - you think people are wasting their time reading and talking about something they apparently dont care about at all, which is a failure of reasoning on your part. you see, they do care - its just that such interest falls under the category of criticism and rejection, rather than some kind of kumbayah love circle
also, you seem to think that gaming discussion forums and internet comment threads should be full of righteousness and holistic positive thinking and devoid of irrational ranting and crazy people - thats where you cross the line into pathetic
fucking get over it. have a juice box or something
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Re: No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 17:53 |
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It's optional. It's not necessary to enjoy the game, so bitching about how people who pay for extra stuff getting extra stuff seems pretty childish to me.
Bitching about it might also see this "rape business model" die an early, deserved death. As in : no future games will have this bullshit.
For that goal alone, I will rag on this fucking game until either of the following things occur :
1) The business model dies.
2) You start crying.
Creston
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Re: Trick or Treat! |
Oct 31, 2007, 17:42 |
Creston |
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Its been an ongoing saga of dumb-fuckery.
I nominate that we put the word dumb-fuckery into this game's title. And then Blue can refer to it with the new title from now on.
We could do :
Hellgate : Dumb-fuckery.
Dumb-fuckery : London.
or just plain
Dumb : Fuckery.
Votes? I vote for Dumb-fuckery : London.
Creston
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Re: No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 17:38 |
VT Hoodlum |
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Holy crap, this game is boring. I just played the demo for about an hour, and thats all I can take. Whoever likes this game, have fun, but count me out.
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Oct 31, 2007, 17:01 |
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Not that anyone actually cares here, but:
We don’t want people to miss out on the Halloween content, though. So, we’ll be deploying a small patch within the next 24 hours that will allow everyone access to the special All Hallows’ Eve event quests and rewards. We don’t want our technical snafu to stop you from enjoying the game and seeing what we’ve worked so hard to get done.
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Re: No subject |
Oct 31, 2007, 16:55 |
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That's very clever, space captain, except it completely misses the point. I like the game, I'm not the one wasting my time reading and talking about something I apparently don't care about at all. The story was up for a matter of minutes and people were already jumping in with the "LOL I told yuo it wuld bom" stuff when the game has been released for hours. A lot of the complaints are ignorant and many are completely contrary to the facts, so it's clearly just bitching because there's a common audience to complain with.
It's the same old shit on every gaming forum out there. Everyone bashes everything but the one game they're currently playing, rails against everything they're not, screams and cries about the evil that is a company like EA and then turns around a week or two later and raves about the new game they're in that just happens to be by that same publisher.
It's ignorant to think that a lot of the problems that people bitch about aren't part of the ridiculously fickle gaming public who more often than not just bitch because they like to rather than because they actually care.
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Oct 31, 2007, 16:52 |
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So basically, they shit the bed, got up, took a shower and tried to clean up... then laid down and shit the bed again.
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