Crysis DirectX 9 & 10 MP Performance

Total Crysis offers an update on how multiplayer will work in Crysis (thanks Voodoo Extreme). A number of topics are covered, including how DirectX 9 servers will be limited compared to DirectX 10 servers, not because of software, but hardware:
DX9 vs. DX10 – The endless question
To shed some light into one of the most discussed topics regarding Crysis multiplayer I would like to explain you the differences between Crysis MP DX9 and DX10.

As for the DX9 version we won’t have physics and day and night cycle in-game. That means you won’t be able to shoot down trees and/or alter any other objects than vehicles on the map. Additionally the time of day setting doesn’t change dynamically. This is caused due to the tremendous server load such physics might cause on crowded gaming servers. Still you will be able to experience maps with different time of day settings since the maps can be altered in the Sandbox2 Editor.

Rather than providing the community partially working features we limit this for the DX10 version only. Due to the strong hardware available with DX10, server load is less and performance is increased. This ensures the pure physics and day and night cycle experience without any limitation.

Gamers with a DX10 card are able to play on DX9 servers, but with the limitation of the respective server. Vice versa it is not possible for gamers with DX9 cards to play on DX10 servers due to the limited features.
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Sep 14, 2007, 01:15
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Sep 14, 2007, 01:15
 
Well, since the MP community looks like its going to be close to nil in Crysis like it was in Farcry, I can just wait until they get Vista's sp1 out. Crysis will likely be down to 20 or 30 bucks.

I tried Vista on my computer (6600 d2c/2GB 800mhz DDR2/8800 640MB GTS) and I really just didn't care for it. All the damn permission crap, the fact that a majority of the apps I mainly use didn't work yet in Vista just made want to hold off.

I only see this move hurting Crysis's sales, or at least first release sales. I am sure a lot of people like myself will buy the game when its cheaper and Vista isn't as annoying.

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Another games with major issues
Sep 14, 2007, 01:11
RaZ0r!
 
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Another games with major issues Sep 14, 2007, 01:11
Sep 14, 2007, 01:11
 RaZ0r!
 
Will skip it like I did Bioshock.

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Sep 14, 2007, 00:57
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:57
 
Err...what? They start off claiming that all these features are based on server load, then pawn it off on you not having Vista/DX10? Aren't any decent servers going to be dedicated, ie the graphics don't matter a damn bit because they're just calculating data and pushing around packets? Or are server operators now going to have to drop an additional $500 on a graphics card in addition to the rest of their hardware (and what serious admin wants to run Vista)? Wow, Microsoft, EA, and Crytek, the perfect clusterfuck.

I've been gaming on PC since my dad brought home a ~$3k 286, never lagged that far behind on hardware (a generation, at most, and top end), but really, the last few years have been disheartening. Insane copy protection, deep-seated bugs that screw you over well into a game, hardware/software that moves in epileptic fits and starts...after having a good friend with a 360 since launch, and despite some minor issues, I've been having so much more fun just being able to jump into a game without having to patch, then search forums for a separate fix to make the game playable, then read a guide because the devs screwed up an important game mechanic or quest, then deal with crappy MP (GameSpy, suck mah balls), I'm about done. The only thing PC-only I've really enjoyed this year was STALKER, and that despite many bugs (which are still waiting to be patched). Crysis will be out during the middle of an extended business trip, but when I'm back, I'm much more likely pick up a 360 of my own, rather than drop $1k+ on a new system. I'm wondering, is it really worth reinvesting for two games a year?

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Features
Sep 14, 2007, 00:56
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:56
 
For one, I thought this was published by EA, not Microsoft. So unless there's some conspiracy theory about DX10 I'm not understanding the connection here.

But I'd rather here from a programmer that has coded for both DX9 and 10 and hear their opinions. It's quite possible that it's easier to program physics and day/night cycles in DX10 than DX9, but I'm not sure. Perhaps their using the extra GPU power of the 8800 cards to process physics, I don't know.

I'd like to hear some cold hard facts on the matter before jumping to the conclusion that it's all just collusion between Crytek and MS trying to force us all to buy better hardware and newer operating systems.


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Sep 14, 2007, 00:48
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:48
 
Street Preacher, true DX10 was a performance hit on older games, but if you look at bechmarks on brand new games built for DX10 (Bioshock, MOH: Airbone, World in Conflict) you'll see the games are just as fast if not faster in DX10.

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Sep 14, 2007, 00:44
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:44
 
you care about money, money and more money you greedy fat bastards

In this day and age, who doesn't?

Incidentally, when was XP released again? 2002? 2001? What with it being over 5 years at least, I don't actually think Microsoft are asking for too much.

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Sep 14, 2007, 00:34
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:34
 
if M$ released dx10 for xp this wouldnt be a problem.
I have a feeling that M$ and the crysis team will find that not many people will play on the dx10 servers.

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Sep 14, 2007, 00:03
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Sep 14, 2007, 00:03
 
OK, I'm lost. Every benchmark I've ever seen comparing DX9 and DX10 shows a marked slowdown in DX10(/Vista). So they're saying that only the systems that have this crippled performance will have the fancy schmancy options available to them, while the people with better performance on DX9/XP will have to do without, for performance reasons?

Am I the only one that thinks the devs have it completely backwards?

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:55
 
if having to upgrade to vista to play a game that is not compromised due to consoles, and appealing to kiddie gamers, vista is a small price to pay.

screw consoles, they are killing PC gaming faster then Vista/dx10/M$. If this supports companies that are making PC games and ONLY PC games I'm all for it.

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Vista/DX10
Sep 13, 2007, 23:51
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Vista/DX10 Sep 13, 2007, 23:51
Sep 13, 2007, 23:51
 
I am a die hard PC gamer and I am one of those suckers who usually buy something when it's the latest and greatest. I have hundreds of PC shooters that I've bought throughout the years and I tend to keep my hard drive packed up with many games installed at once. I recently upgraded to Vista and got myself a DX10 card and I have ZERO complaints about it! I must have over 50 games installed (fron Doom1 to MoH Airborn) and they all run fantastic on my machine. I have noticed no performance loss between this machine and the machines I run XP on.
I look forward to new games taking advantage of DX10 finally, and the more games that do it the faster the whiners will upgrade.

All I'm saying is Vista will be the norm soon, DEAL WITH IT! If you want to experience your gaming with DX10 features than bite the bullet and give into it. If you want to continue to use DX9 and bitch about DX10 and Vista go ahead, where is it getting you?

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:51
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:51
 
Yea, Valve is saying Dx10 isn't necessary yet, you can still do everything in Dx9. Id is now saying the same thing. The only real difference is that it's much simpler and easier to program for Dx10 now because it's, basically not nearly as 'cluttered' as Dx9 is.

But the difference in graphics programing capability is practically non-existent. Dx10 utilizes the GPU for things like Physics a lot more then Dx9 does. That's about it.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:48
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:48
 
Yeah this doesn't make sense. My computer can't play Supreme Commander with all options on, but I still have all the options available to me. So why isn't physics and day/night an option and you select it at your own risk?

There are people out there with smokin quad core xp machines and a pair of $500 SLI vid cards...

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:46
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Just get vista you tightarse bitches and quit whining.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:46
 
Considering several of the techs found in the Dx10 edition but not the Dx9 edition, such as alpha-to-coverage (basically anti-aliasing of foliage, shrubs, etc, one of the reasons it looks so crisp and clear,) we've been told is a Dx10 tech that's not in the Dx9 edition because it's not possible. An example of this is the Dx9/Dx10 comparison video found on gametrailers.com. You can see a very clear difference in the foliage and shrubbery between the two.

Thing is, Valve has introduced this same tech into the Source engine for Episode 2 because Ep2 takes place out in the natural world, not in the city. But whats this? The EP2 engine upgrade isn't a Dx10 only thing? Thats right.. for Valves game it seams, alpha-to-coverage is entirely possible in Dx9!

So yea, it's probably M$ heavily funding Crytek to put certain lovely new techs in the Dx10 version of the game to make it look a bunch better, when in reality, you they could be doing the same exact thing in Dx9.

Oh and the whole 'there is no day/night cycle because Dx9 hardware wouldn't be able to handle it in a multiplayer environment.' Who the f' do they think they are kidding here?

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:45
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Unbelievable.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:39
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:39
 
Wouldn't really be fair to DX9 users who can't see that the terrain has been altered.

So alter the terrain for them in a non-fancy way that gets the job done.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:28
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:28
 
I can buy a dx 10 card that will give me fewer fps than in dx 9 mode on the same dx 10 card.

Having dx 10 card doesn't mean you have lots of RAM and a fast processor.

They are splitting the MP community. Is crytek and MS one company or have they been paid to artificially put in limits to make dx 10 and thus vista more attractive?

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:23
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:23
Tom
 
Wow, this really makes no technical sense at all. These limits come off as totally artificial. Nice try with the spin there, Crytek.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:16
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:16
 
I smell horse shit.

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Sep 13, 2007, 23:14
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Sep 13, 2007, 23:14
 
This is total BS. So far games that are Dx10 have run WORSE in Dx10 mode on a 8x nvidia card under Vista then they do with the same hardware in Dx9 mode and WinXP! This is just M$ trying to get people to switch by putting artificial limits on non-vista users.

I personally duel-boot vista an xp. Vista runs to much software like shit for me to rely on it completely.

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