So, you're like the mythical person who spits on Vietnam war veterans as they return from war, but in reverse. You're so caring about people, so passionate about changing their opinions for the better, that you spit on them. Because spitting on them is the best way to get them to listen up.

Zuh??????

As for your support for democracy, it seems genuine but still confusing. At what point do you acknowledge that your opinions have been heard and considered by the majority of a democracy? It seems like you can always sit back and say "the people are still too ignorant, and therefore their opinions are invalid, thus I can remain an occupier of their nation." For several centuries, European nations embraced imperialism. They occupied nations they saw as inferior and ignorant of their wisdom. All the while claiming support for democracy, and all the while ignoring the vast majority opinion of the nations they occupied.

What I'm asking is this: What makes you any different than an imperialist of the past? Back then, Christians took over countries, ignored the majority will of those countries, and kept saying "they'll come around to our thinking eventually." This happened for centuries. What makes you any different?


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wow, people still think 9/11 wasnt orchestrated? thats really fascinating to be honest.

if its that easy to pull the wool over americans eyes, no wonder bush has no trouble doing what he does.

id be surprised if half of america could see their own hand they are holding in front of their face. why? well if bush told you it wasnt there, it must not be there.. right??

Poor horsie =(

Stop making sense all of a sudden, you're confusing me.


Ah hell, I don't care. I'm just interested why you didn't fight the pick the nose that ate you? HUH!?

Anyway Halo, I really don't care much. But I thought your post was interesting. Pisses me off a little more that you didn't get mad, but this one's disappearing off the grid. Soon people will have to click previous 2 days twice just to reply. I guess this horse is dead and decapitated and beaten so badly that even hamburger from McDonalds are like WTF is wrong with that horse?

Actually click my name, I entered my usual handle as my real name and a shortend version as my viewable name, my bad I mixed them up. I hate Halo and don't own either of the xboxes. I did buy Marathon 1 & 2 though does that count? Don't make assumptions.

Christmas is a joke as well, anoter Pagan ripoff holiday helping get more cash into the economy. It should be a time about caring for other people, and being with your family, not cutting poeple off in traffic so you can keep up with the jonses buying the latest and greatest bull.

who cares if it's Jesus (and winter solstice) birthday you want to know how many other prophets had a mircile birth on the same day, with 12 followers, who performed mircles, who was killed by crucifixion and rose 3 days later from a tomb. A lot because it's all ripped off material.

And no the 911 garbage is pathetic too, like folding a dollar bill to find the twin towers, an the pentagon on fire, it's pure happenstance.

Wow the USS cole, The lusitania, Tonkin bay, USS Liberty. Notice a pattern? These attacks on ships suckered everybody into war. I'm sure that would be a countries first move to destroy our nation. "LOOK everybody we sunk one boat WE WON!!" it's not fucken battleship.

I'm the sheeple? I'm the Media watcher. The media is controlled by the very people I don't trust. The media is a tool used to control the people, same with religion. You get all those things wrapped up together along with poor education, and a lot of entertainment and people will be so easy to control. Because why would you want to control a naiton of smart people? People who think for themselves, people who ask questions, people who don't take orders. No- No that's not what they want. They want people who sit behind their little desk working away and praying to some invisible man in the sky to get him out of debt. Watching TV day in and day out doing nothing with their life, except soaking in pure raw fluff, watching commercials to get them out into WAL-MART and into all the fast food joints, and best buy, and curcit city, and the mall losing all their money. And probably at the same time getting fatter and lazier.

Why? Weak people get sick then what? They have to go to the doctor and bury themselves in more debt buying up all the drugs the doctor can dish out.

open your eyes, ask questions. I don't want you to believe me, I just want you to start thinking for yourself. Because incase you didn't notice I'm the only person in here talking the complete opposite of everbody else...
so who's in the herd now?

Another thing. Look at your name. Oh that one took a hell of a lot of creativity. You should be rewarded for fuckin making that up. Wait, you didn't make it up; you stole it from a video game. GOOD JOB SHEEPLE BOY!

Halo, you're a fuckin' idiot.

Instead of responding to your idiotic, sheeple attack on George Bush; I'm going to reveal to you how fuckin' stupid you really are.

You know those 9/11 attacks... I bet you think that it has something to do with 9-1-1, you know 911, the emergency numbers for when you're in trouble. I bet you think that, because you're a sheeple.

Let me ask you this, don't you think Christmas would be better if someone is attacking us for a special anniversary attack? Christmas, as in Christian, since they talk about hating our ideals and our God and our alliance with Israel who also worships the same God just in a different way.

But you're such a stupid fuckin sheeple that you bought right into that 911 business because that's what the media told you.

The truth is that on that day in 2001, I was busy researching anniversary dates for holidays and summit meetings with the Arab nations and Israel. I found 9/11 the right way. You just listened to the television. Good job BITCH BOY! Way to go. Sort of explains your blind hatred of George Bush. Not that I think he's a good president mind you, but because at least he has balls. When the USS Cole was attacked during Clinton's presidency, he launched two cruise missiles as a retaliation. If I was our enemy, I would have laughed at such a pathetic response. Anyway, you keep listening to that TV of yours boy. This country needs good sheeple like you that are kept in check & muzzled like dogs. I can just see you out there with a sign, "End the war! end the War!" Then someone says, why? And you don't even know what to say. "Um, because." LMFAO! 911 indeed. Idiot sheeple bitch boy!

Yeah it was a rant, that's fine we have our own opinions. I know a lot of them have changed to look better. I thought some guys in a cave thousands of miles away planned this too. Well the TV always talks about Muslims hating the US of course it was them. So we invaded Afghanistan. Great let's find this "master mind" and bring him in. well it's almost 2008 Marines are still there and where's Osama? Oh wait we moved our focus to Iraq. So what did happen with Osama?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush,

Then what is? To prolong this unendurable disaster for ever and ever. Just keep pushing out the media that the troops are coming home! He's playing these poor troops and us, it's sick. We're going to move into Iran soon, he knows he's the President and he can hold that glass of water over a thirsty nation waiting for a drop of hope.

But he's probably right, keeping the entire world angry at us is probably the best way to keep us safe.
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Simply the only post a person needs to read to understand the situation. He doesn't neccessarily agree with me either. It's just so completely well-worded and intelligent that his is the only one you need to read.

I definitely don't agree with many of the things you said. In fact, I almost made an angry reply to your post. But as I started thinking about it, I thought a cool-headed response would be the most beneficial to other readers. I also realized we agree about mindless followers. I'm actually surprised you were impressed by my post. It's good to know some posters don't take things personally.

Simply the only post a person needs to read to understand the situation. He doesn't neccessarily agree with me either. It's just so completely well-worded and intelligent that his is the only one you need to read.

Halo's post: I'm facinated and disappointed that there are so many of us americans who feverently believe 9/11 was staged by the US Govt. These arent folks I take seriously but I do wonder what exactly is going on their heads. I'm not a political person at all but geez, I wish they couldnt vote.

The only thing I will say on the matter is that on 9/12, some people wanted us to drop nukes and make any country responsible for 9/11 a glass parking lot. Now, a few years later, and most people think it's a bad war. How could this be? Where are the flags from after 9/11 that waved outside every other home? The plain sad truth of it is that media told people about some patriots putting up flags and everyone bought flags. Now the media says this is a bad war and every one nods their heads like good little sheeple and say this is a bad war. The real problem with Americans is that 95% of them don't think for themselves. They agree with the media. The media thinks for them. There's no use in talking to a bunch of imbeciles whose opinions aren't even based on fact. This war has had very low casualities, 1/3 of which were roadside bombs without a shot being fired, some of which were accidental friendly fire as well. You morons have no clue because you let other people think for you & you get your information from the biased reports of the media. YOU CANNOT THINK FOR YOURSELVES!

I think those people are hypocrites. Many people just follow trends and believe everything they hear. That goes equally for conservatives and liberals. Some conservatives (like my grandparents) would support the war even if it was 300,000 dead, because we're over there "fightin' terrorists" (it's a lot easier to view the enemy as sub-human if you call him a terrorist, regardless of whether he actually is or not). Many liberals were initially for the war (probably out of fear, like most Americans) and later changed their minds when they saw that their fickle constituents had decided the war was bad (after initially supporting it). They use casualty reports to justify their position, when they should have been able to oppose the war before it started. Now it's just a case us using hindsight to complain about a situation they didn't have the balls to help prevent from happening.

I am one of the few people who wasn't calling for blood on 9/12; nor did I go buy a flag to support my country. I don't need to make a posturing, phony display in order to confirm my patriotism. In my opinion, all of the vendors that sold flags after 9/11 (and the ones that sell school paraphernalia after school shootings) were exploiting a tragedy just to make a buck. Why would I support them? The whole "I'd better put my flag out are people might think I support terrorists!" mindset is a result of people not thinking for themselves. Anyway, if you ask me, most of those "drop a nuke" flag wavers were doing it out of fear, not patriotism. One of the things you missed in your rant against "sheeple" is that blindly following "the pack" is what made them support the war in the first place. They ate up everything the media and their leaders in the government fed them, and we went to war.

So as someone who has opposed the war from day one, I would like to say that I can think for myself. I don't need media reports of casualties to affirm my position. I wish there had been more politicians with the balls to oppose the war from the beginning. But most of their decisions are done with re-election in mind, and making a potentially unpopular stand takes more guts than the vast majority of politicians have. Frankly, the political exploitation of the war by both sides sickens me, although I am naturally less offended by the liberals' exploitation (since the end result is people saying what I've been saying all along).

It is possible for people who think for themselves to be against the war without them necessarily being "sheeple". Unfortunately, there are a lot of opposers of the war who lead people to believe we're all hypocrites. I think it's also possible for people to support the war without being brainless tools of conservatives.

Halo, the reason that the steel was molten was because it was already cooking when it fell into the ground.

Sometimes campfires are hotter in the morning in the ashes than they were all night long.

Think of all the friction and power that resulted from the collision of floor after floor after floor as the buildings fell down from fire.

Think of the power of simple compositing where you have something as benign as grape plants that are landfilled in states that grow them and then many, many years later someone walks over that area and falls into a pit of hell liquid that is several hundreds degrees and burns off the guy's skin and he loses his legs. YEARS LATER!!!!


You sir are a complete moron that barks like you think you have something of a notion when you clearly see nothing but your own reflection in the mirror while you jack your self off ceremoniously with a comb through the hair. YOU ARE THE TAKE CARE IDIOT of this thread. Worst post so far. It's obviously a drunken rant & you cannot control yourself or make any good sense. You're a fuckin moron today Halo. But make some sense when you're sober & I'll be willing to agree with you then.

Well Walt that was a very clever attempt at a dive into my mind. It was actually stunning that you came up with such information that I was completely unaware of!

The truth is I base my life of science and facts. I read all I could and researched everything possible about two 1300ft buildings seamlessly came down like a waterfall because they were on fire. How about other skyscrapers that have been on fire for 19 hours and didn't even flinch. But two buildings that stood out more than anything in the NY skyline were on fire for an hour or so and exploded onto the street below. Yes exploded there's no way a building like that collapses and doesn't leave a core column standing.

Then weeks later there's was molten steel found in the wreckage. MOLTEN steel 2000^o liquid steel from what, jet fuel? You actually believe jet fuel melted steel? It might bend steel yes but actually turn it into red hot liquid. WRONG, impossible.

Why were no planes sent to intercept these Hijacked planes? TOTAL failure on NORADS part. But the years before that perfect exercises all the time. Cheny was in charge that day and guess what? No orders to stop these hijacked planes headed for New York. I guess he must have slipped up that day, unlike when he directed the US invasion of Panama and Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East. and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Guess all that secretary of defense knowledge took a lapse.

I believe there are terrorist. They exist and operate daily to complete what ever their final goal will be. But I don't believe a family friend planned this operation. I don't know how some Hijackers flew a plane into building and still managed to come forward and say, Excuse me I saw on the TV that I hijacked a plane and flew into a building, but I'm still alive and don't know how to fly.

Do see how our government reacts to the publics questions about 9-11? They're dismissed and told they've already been answered. Or that they can't disclose information yet.

Kind of like the plane that hit the Pentagon. except no plane wreckage was found, and any actual wreckage was hauled away. The rest of the plane vaporised in the same o'll "jet fuel" story. Apparently 255,000lbs of Forged Metal was vaporised by jet fuel. BUT all the passengers bodies have been identified. K.

Like I said I know there's people out there who truly hate America and want it to burn. But in this day and age nobody cares about anybody and all society wants is entertainment and a nice tax return so they can go dump their money right back into Corporate pockets. I make a decent living and care about my fellow human being but like Hendrix said until the power of love over comes the love of power there will be no peace.

Take care.

you want religion in schools? like muslim schools teaching nothing but the koran?
GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow. you sound like a terrorist zeph. off to gitmo with you.

twat.

Just please leave religion out of our education system and let parents train their kids to be little killers

Your wish has already proven quite true.

In the 1960's people were watching "LEAVE IT TO BEAVER", the 1970's "LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRARIE". Now, SOPRANOS, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, ETC.

We have seperation of church & state now. In my youth, we sang songs of patriotism for our country in a public school. Now, we have school shootings. When I was in high school, the most dangerous thing you could expect was a fist fight. Now, gangs will wait until you're off the property and away from the metal detectors, and they'll drive by real slow, aim, and kill you.

So, you got your wish. No religion in our education. Look at all the good it has done.

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Other than that, I thought your post was letter perfect.

And regarding the video game, who cares what the military uses. People that sign up get influenced to do so for many reasons. Posters, pamphlets, campus recruiting. That's old hat. It's a volunteer army.

I still believe you should be able to produce, market and sell whatever movies or games you want, let the adults decide what is good or not.

Look at Manhunt 2. As far as I can tell the distributors decided not to carry it, not the government or the consumers. A bad thing? Perhaps. Running with sicsors makes the Postal games. Not my cup of tea, but I have to admit I really liked GTA3. Anyways, artists should make what they want. Including the American military. Fundamentalist religions have games from both Christian and Islamic perspectives.

And that's fine. I don't really care. The Jews and the Nazis and the Christians and the Taoissts and Bhudists and Muslims and Hindus and Mennanites and Mormons and Jehovahs and all those freaks can go make all the violent anti-whomever video games that they want. As long as they're fun, I'll play them.

I'm not really concerned about turning into a moron because of it. Just please leave religion out of our education system and let parents train their kids to be little killers.

This is so awesome, an American War thread on Blues News. Don't think I've seen one for a couple of years, at least that's when I gave up on them.

Still very entertaining though.

My two cents are about the same as they were several years ago. I wish the Americans had attacked the Taliban (you know, the terrists) in Afgahnistan, instead of pre-emptivly invading Iraq. But what's done is done.

I think it would be stupid for NATO to pull out of Afhganistan (like us Canadians are considering) at this point and even worse for the Yanks to abandon Iraq after causing this shitstorm.

I mean, 130,000 Americans fighting the Taliban would probably make more sense than 'securing Iraq'. Or would have. But not much you can do about it now. Spreading it thin over two different wars kind of hurts us all.

Anyways, continue on, great entertainments from the conspiracy guys to the lefties and righties.

So fuck you, Zephalephelah.

I hope your family burns in a house fire.