NIMF on Manhunt 2

The National Institute on Media and the Family has issued a statement relating to the AO rating given to Manhunt 2, and the subsequent fallout of that decision. In gloating: "Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers," they seem to be opining that there aren't any adult gamers, so games targeted at adults are inappropriate:
Minneapolis - The National Institute on Media and the Family today released the following statement in response to Take-Two Interactive Software’s decision to “temporarily suspend” distribution of Manhunt 2. This announcement was in response to the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) issuing an “Adults-Only” rating for the game and Nintendo and Sony’s decisions to deny Manhunt 2 a license for their products.

“Take-Two’s decision to temporarily suspend distribution of Manhunt 2 is a victory for parents and children.

“Because of the their thoughtful decision to give Manhunt 2 its strongest rating, “Adults-Only,” the ESRB has sent a strong message to Take-Two and other game makers that they no longer can push the envelope on gratuitous violence in video games. The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children’s hands.

“Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers.

“As gaming technology continues to change, we hope to continue to work with the ESRB to ensure that future games have appropriate content and context for children. The uniqueness of Nintendo’s Wii gives game raters a new challenge when it comes to first-player shooter games. We take the ESRB’s decision about Manhunt 2 as a positive step in addressing this new challenge.”
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Is this for 360?
Jun 22, 2007, 19:06
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Is this for 360? Jun 22, 2007, 19:06
Jun 22, 2007, 19:06
 
Is this game on the Xbox 360? That's about the only connection I can gather for the "make games for kids" notion that they are passing off.

The PC users (like me) don't really give a rats, but I guess even mainstream views are consoles are for kiddies, hehe.

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Re: Is this for 360?
Jun 22, 2007, 19:13
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Re: Is this for 360? Jun 22, 2007, 19:13
Jun 22, 2007, 19:13
 
"For families & gamers" WTf..the 2 dont belong together. Its bad enough most movies are PG-13 and now they wanna tame adult gaming? F**off

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Umm,,,wtf???
Jun 22, 2007, 19:16
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Umm,,,wtf??? Jun 22, 2007, 19:16
Jun 22, 2007, 19:16
 
Manhunt 2 is getting loads of bad press and it features animated cartoon violence...yet Hostel 2 features 'realistic' gore and much MUCH more grotesque and mature themes and it gets an R rating, the MPAAs version of an M rating.

Seriously, do all of these psuedo-Christian and socialist organizations even think about the dung that falls out of their traps?

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Re: Umm,,,wtf???
Jun 22, 2007, 19:36
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Re: Umm,,,wtf??? Jun 22, 2007, 19:36
Jun 22, 2007, 19:36
 
Movies aren't interactive.

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No subject
Jun 22, 2007, 19:49
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Jun 22, 2007, 19:49
 
I hate hypocrites. I'll bet you $1000 these are the same people that championed "The Passion of the Christ" and defended it to the bitter end. Fucking morons.

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Re: No subject
Jun 22, 2007, 19:56
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Jun 22, 2007, 19:56
 
I say crank it up for GTA IV and get that bad boy an AO rating.

We'll see if MS and Sony can put their money where their morals are.

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I think the inference is slightly wrong.
Jun 22, 2007, 20:26
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I think the inference is slightly wrong. Jun 22, 2007, 20:26
Jun 22, 2007, 20:26
 
This was probably a slip of the tongue, so to speak. I think these folks perfectly realize that there are adult gamers. However, these type of people (you can usually identify them by their compulsive use of the word "family") are likely the type to consider themselves moral police officers for basically everyone. They simply don't _care_ that there are adult gamers, if only because there are non-adult gamers. To impede the legitimate wishes of the mature gaming sector means basically nothing to them so long as they get their narrow-minded way.

At this point, where Rockstar and Take Two are concerned things have probably more or less become a contest of egos more than anything else. You don't hear these people so vocally trumpeting the fact that other (admittedly rare) games have been rated AO. Actually, I'd be (more) frightened of these people if their egos aren't involved by now.

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Jun 22, 2007, 20:39
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Jun 22, 2007, 20:39
 
I hate hypocrites. I'll bet you $1000 these are the same people that championed "The Passion of the Christ" and defended it to the bitter end.

Your comment assumes The Passion of the Christ was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of what it stood for. Unlike manhunt.

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what it stood for?
Jun 22, 2007, 20:54
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what it stood for? Jun 22, 2007, 20:54
Jun 22, 2007, 20:54
 
The Passion of The Christ was SHIT! In fact I'm going to go ahead and say Christianity in general is SHIT! Why don't you superstitious, witch burning, creationist MORONS crawl back to the 1500's where you belong?!

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Jun 22, 2007, 21:29
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Jun 22, 2007, 21:29
 
christianity is stupid
communism is good
give up

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Re: No subject
Jun 22, 2007, 21:53
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Jun 22, 2007, 21:53
 
Your comment assumes The Passion of the Christ was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of what it stood for. Unlike manhunt.

Your comment assumes that Manhunt was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of the genuinely good stealth gameplay.

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Jun 22, 2007, 22:22
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Jun 22, 2007, 22:22
 
Your comment assumes The Passion of the Christ was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of what it stood for. Unlike manhunt.

Your comment assumes that Manhunt was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of the genuinely good stealth gameplay.

Your comment assumes you've actually played Manhunt 2, thus your firsthand knowledge of its "genuinely good stealth gameplay."

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Jun 22, 2007, 22:36
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Jun 22, 2007, 22:36
 
Your comment assumes you've actually played Manhunt 2, thus your firsthand knowledge of its "genuinely good stealth gameplay."

Your comment assumes that the gameplay of Manhunt 1 is not indicative of any future sequels, which would be rather odd...

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Jun 22, 2007, 22:38
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Jun 22, 2007, 22:38
 
Your comment assumes The Passion of the Christ was to be enjoyed purely for the violence alone instead of what it stood for. Unlike manhunt.

No. You assumed that's what my comment stood for. Get your logic correct. I'll correct mine. Fucking morons + 1.

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Jun 23, 2007, 00:10
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Jun 23, 2007, 00:10
 
The NIMF acts like the ESRB's rating was some sort of surprise to Rockstar.
An "AO" rating only confirms what Rockstar already knew - they were designing a game to be enjoyed by adults only.
They had no delusions that they were creating content for children. A decision to suspend distribution isn't a victory for children - who weren't supposed to be able to get their hands on the game anyway.

As long as there are adults who can (and desire to) responsibly enjoy mature-themed media, Rockstar has no obligation to create content that is necessairly "appropriate for families." It is up to societal constructs (such as the ESRB rating system and the retailers that enforce its guidelines) to prevent distribution of adult-oriented material to children.
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Jun 23, 2007, 00:15
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Jun 23, 2007, 00:15
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NIMF sounds like Nymph. We could use some of those in the gaming industry!


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Re: No subject
Jun 23, 2007, 00:29
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It is up to societal constructs (such as the ESRB rating system and the retailers that enforce its guidelines) to prevent distribution of adult-oriented material to children.

Yep, except the problem is that the constructs in place don't do that. They don't even pretend to do that.

In fact, the constructs in place as they are right now are designed to prevent adult-oriented material from hitting anyone.

An adult that wants to buy AO games can't... have you ever seen one before? They don't exist. Stores won't carry them, publishers won't ship them. The rating system is a joke... there's nothing in Manhunt 2 that you won't see in something like "The Hills Have Eyes" or "Hostel", yet it gets a rating that essentially makes it equivalent to hardcore pornography rather than a rated R film.

So no, the developers have no obligation to make family-oriented content. Unless they want to be able to ship and sell their game... in which case the ESRB is shown to be a complete farce, the flaws inherent in using it for rating video games show up glaringly.

The same rating system that covers the motion picture industry should be modified to have an addition that handles video games as well. You want kids and parents to understand the system and for everyone to enforce it? A rated R game is pretty clear. A PG rated game, a G rated game... parents already know how that works. The same idea would help gamers have access to games we may not otherwise, because if they succeed in censoring off a game like this because of its content, what will they go after next? GTA IV, obviously, and then the next shooter blamed for a murder somewhere, and then...

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Jun 23, 2007, 00:37
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Jun 23, 2007, 00:37
 
You're correct - the system is broken. The disconnect between motion-picture media and interactive media ratings is a glaring fault.

If they DO "go after" GTA4, then I think things would be due for a shakeup. There aren't many people that will too bent out of shape about Manhunt 2's current predicament.
If GTA4 faces a similar situation, there could potentially be enough backlash to prompt some sort of re-evaluation of the system itself.
However, I don't anticipate GTA4 going down that path in the first place. (Perhaps unfortunately.)

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Jun 23, 2007, 01:10
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Jun 23, 2007, 01:10
 
Your comment assumes you've actually played Manhunt 2, thus your firsthand knowledge of its "genuinely good stealth gameplay."

My comment made no such assumption, as I distinctly said "Manhunt," not "Manhunt 2." Despite that little detail, I think it's safe to say that the gameplay in Manhunt 2 is pretty similar to the original Manhunt since every preview has indicated as much.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Games have always carried the stigma of being kid's entertainment. It'll take at least 10 more years before the medium is accepted as anything more than that. Until then, expect retarded people to try to censor and/or ban games that cater to adults.


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Jun 23, 2007, 01:52
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Jun 23, 2007, 01:52
 
This comment from the article really pissed me off....

"Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers."

Who the hell are they to determine what is "appropriate" for families and gamers? last i checked i fly an American flag outside my house which i could have sworn meant that I got to decide what is appropriate for my family, and myself as a gamer. all they are, is a bunch of Communists. Thats the way this country is going. they already tell us what we can see on TV and listen to on the radio. Video games are just the next step in taking away our first amendment rights.

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