I liked the fact that weapons could break down in SS2: it added some depth and tension to the game.

fixed with a patch

There was nothing wrong with it before the patch. How hard is it to pick up a new weapon you find and use or keep that stored instead, or use any of the tools you find for repairs, or just create a tool with the vending machines? Or did we blow those resources carelessly too, hm? The crutch patch was to address mass whining. In other words, for fans of simplistic shooters.


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Deux Ex - was a brilliant game, System Shock 2 was a brilliant game, they both had (minor) flaws but overall Deux Ex had less. I would have hoped by now we'd had another "Best PC game ever" (and a couple have come close I suppose) but nothing that surpasses it gameplay wise yet I feel.

Damn you, EIDOS! I demand DX3!

I for one, wouldn't mind seeing Spector doing another Deus Ex games in the vein of DX1 with the Unreal 3 engine.

He's said in some interviews that he wouldn't mind returning to the Deus Ex universe, as he's got quite a few stories left to tell, but Eidos owns the license, and after rather poor sales for Ex Deus 2 and the snowblind game, it's doubtful Eidos will ever greenlight it.

Creston

Isn't this the same PC Zone that up until last year was humping Gabe Newell's leg, and ejaculating all over Half Life? So now, 7 years after it's been released, NOW Deus Ex is all of a sudden the best game ever?

Morons. It's been the best game ever since 2000.

Creston

I think at least two good things came out of Ion Storm, DX, of course, and Anachronox.

I guess with all that creative talent they are either going to create some of the greatest things ever, or completely implode and collapse in on themselves. Or both.

I don't recall ever hearing anything from Romero about what went down or how things were really mismanaged.

two words:
Todd Porter. A name that should live in infamy. From 1999:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/1999-06-03/news/end-game/

If Todd ever needs $$$ he could sell his life story to some film studio, fascinating study. Example - while working at Strategic Simulations (SSI) he once told me he lost the sight in his left eye (or was it the right?) at a target range while pistol shooting with Richard Garriott (Lord British) when he worked at Origin. wow.

the marble inlaid floors, the ship parties for games that wouldn't ship for years or an ad would appear threatening to make someone someone's bitch.

Similar to what would happen if you were to turn the family budget over to your eight-year old.

The only thing larger than Romero's ego was the magnitude of his failure. I've no idea what's he up to now, (and really couldn't care less), but the position of Wal-Mart greeter would probably stretch his talents past the breaking point. Perhaps he should hire on with Derek Smart; with any luck, they'd kill each other.

You can sugarcoat DX2 all you want, but it was bland. Even as a stand-alone game, it would have sucked.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying there. As a sequel to the original Deus Ex, it was merely a bland game, but as a true stand alone it would've sucked. So you actually prefer it to be a true sequel?

Besides, nobody here is really sugarcoating the game - I think we all agree it wasn't the proper sequel to Deus Ex, but that it wasn't nearly as bad as portrayed.

I still suspect that had it not been set against the backdrop of its predecessor, it would've faired better opinion.

Not exactly sure how'd it work with the 3 endings.

They could've easily just picked one of the original endings and worked with it instead of combining all three in DX.


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Not exactly sure how'd it work with the 3 endings.

Three different games? Or maybe a new type of game where quantum realities bleed through? That'd be cool. You think you're playing in one reality when the other beings to intrude and maybe even takes over depending.

So, three different games and if you start one, you might end in a different one. Sort of like if you started as Terran in Starcraft and you had an equal chance of finishing in either of the three.

A subsequent patch turned that off, if I'm not mistaken?? Or it was at least optional, maybe through the console. I don't remember specifically how I did it, but I ended up turning the weapon degradation off completely.

By the time the patch came out, I pretty much had moved on. Maybe I try to reload it and try again?

I for one, wouldn't mind seeing Spector doing another Deus Ex games in the vein of DX1 with the Unreal 3 engine. Not exactly sure how'd it work with the 3 endings.

DX2 on the Xbox was not smooth. It crashed my Xbox NUMEROUS times. That's right...crashed. As in reboots. Rebooting a console. Keep in mind I have roughly 70 Xbox1 games and the system has never had any problem with any of them, even to this very day.

As for SS2, I agree with the previous poster. I could never finish it until the patch came out that allowed you to turn off weapon degradation via the games's .ini file. Once I turned that off, I beat the game...twice. Once as a Navy Hacker then as a Psi-hacker. Good times.

You can sugarcoat DX2 all you want, but it was bland. Even as a stand-alone game, it would have sucked. Hell, even Project Snowblind, which was to be Deus Ex: Clan Wars, turned out to be a better game then DX2:IW. which honestly isn't saying much.

I had heard so many bad things about its bugginess on the PC that I bought it for Xbox expecting a bug free game. Heh...and like I said, reboots.

On a console. Consistently.

I did eventually beat it, getting the "make everyone like JC and infest the world with nanites" ending...but it felt hollow.

I still play DX1. Awesome game. Will never uninstall it.

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but I ended up turning the weapon degradation off completely.

Same.

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And I wouldn't call DW:IW on the Xbox "smooth". The framerate was anything but. And this was with rooms and hallways the sizes of broom closets.

I actually don't disagree with you on that part. But in my case, I had such difficulty getting it to run on the PC in the first place I was happy to play it at all. I mean, it does suck compared to Deus Ex, and is nary the proper sequel it should have been, but it did continue the storyline and I was determined to play it.

Guns in the future disintegrate after 10 and I kept expecting to run into other characters but they are always dead by the time you get there.

A subsequent patch turned that off, if I'm not mistaken?? Or it was at least optional, maybe through the console. I don't remember specifically how I did it, but I ended up turning the weapon degradation off completely.

SS2 had some serious flaws. Weapon degradation and monster spawns were fixed with a patch, but the last level was still some giant, boring, running, diving and shooting. No more suspense, no more exploration, just trying to stay alive. Well, and for the first time on the "Rickenbacker" i got completely lost searching for those special anellide eggs, because there was no automap.

SS2 and perfect? No! Great? Yes, but with some design choices i found "not very entertaining" ...

I never could finish SS2 because it wasn't fun. You have to count your bullets. Guns in the future disintegrate after 10 and I kept expecting to run into other characters but they are always dead by the time you get there. After the third time of finding someone I am supposed to find is dead, I get the clue that it is just an "all alone" shooter with bad shooting devices.

DX, on the other hand was fun and deep and you don't need a degree from MIT to play!

Oh, and those annoying robots that sneak up behind you and explode, I hated those. That almost felt like the game was cheating to me.

Having played System Shock 2 ahead of Deus Ex, I'd have to say SS2 was better. I did like Deus Ex, but best game of all time? Nay.

I really think they are two different games and the second game was...there could be a number of reasons why it failed (to me) as a sequel. To this day, I am dumbfounded by all the bad decisions that were made and how they seemed to never "get" what it seemed like the rest of the world saw/thought/loved about DE.

As for Spector, I am sure there are some amazingly untold political drama behind the scenes on the second game, but I watched videos of Spector praising the decisions they had made in the sequel. PR comes with any game, but he really seemed to have a passion for what he was saying and really, truly believed in what they were doing...when I was left scratching my head.

/shrug
Will I ever see real sequels to SS2, T2, or DE?
Waiting for the next original game,
Ray

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