On Games for Windows

Games for Windows Vista how the new brand & OS will change PC gaming on Joystiq offers an updated preview of the new Games for Windows initiative, attempting, with limited success, to sort out what GFW represents besides a marketing slogan. Based on a tour of the program by Marketing Director Kevin Unangst and PR Manager Michael Wolf, they describe interoperability with Xbox 360 games via "Live Anywhere," how PCs will get numerical ratings to gauge how well they can play games, and what qualifies a game for the GFW logo. The conclusion they draw, however, is that it is difficult to draw conclusions about all this:
It's a risk. The Games for Windows strategy is on the verge of being schizophrenic. Can the cumbersome PC gaming experience really be simplified down to a console scheme? There are just too many freedoms and variations that exist in the PC universe to accurately interpret the PC as "the console that everybody already owns." It's not that simple. So is GFW a trick? Is Microsoft trying to lure back some of the consumers that were lost when Xbox was launched (an initiative that cannibalized PC gaming sales by design)?

The answer, like the Games For Windows vision, is not so clear. But there is most certainly the opportunity for Microsoft to create something very special. A cross-platform community where you and I can jump from Xbox to PC to our cell phones seamlessly. Anywhere.
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Re: Need more info on this
Dec 19, 2006, 14:34
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Re: Need more info on this Dec 19, 2006, 14:34
Dec 19, 2006, 14:34
 
Also i hope you guys realize that we are arguing about something that has not even been released yet. Vista, and how that will handle games. I already suggested this on other forums we should wait until Crysis and Allen Wake gets released for the PC and then compare your precious consoles to the PC. IF there is even such comparison will exist.

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Re: Need more info on this
Dec 19, 2006, 14:15
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Dec 19, 2006, 14:15
 
And so the flaming begins with the console boys

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Re: Need more info on this
Dec 19, 2006, 14:10
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Dec 19, 2006, 14:10
 
So far all this makes me want to do is run linux and buy a PS3. MS will bury pc gaming the only reason for all the hype is to make Nvidia and the other major pc game playes happy with Vista.

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Dec 19, 2006, 13:37
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Dec 19, 2006, 13:37
 
How about they quit doing this Xbox first PC 2 years later crap for it's 'exclusives'.

Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, Gears of War, Halo, Chrome Hounds, Dead Rising. All games I would much rather play on my PC.

Almost to the point of getting a 360 just to get my 'Mechwarrior' fix with Chromehounds.


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Re: Need more info on this
Dec 19, 2006, 13:19
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Dec 19, 2006, 13:19
 
I also wonder when games will start to be vista only and not playable on xp

Alan Wake comes to mind, sure it's not out yet if that's what you meant.


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Need more info on this
Dec 19, 2006, 13:09
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For starters this Live Anywhere thing if you already pay for xbox live gold i sure hope you dont need to pay extra for pc version. Otherwise they should dicth the anywhere-logo. I also wonder when games will start to be vista only and not playable on xp, i guess that will be the day when i finally have to get that vista thing. Until then i just have to wait and see what happens.

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Dec 19, 2006, 12:58
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:58
 
I'm surprised this thread isn't filled with hysterical DA CONSOLES AREZ RUINING DA PCZ!!

'Cause thats how I feel about this.

My PC is a PC, not a fucking X-box.

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Dec 19, 2006, 12:43
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:43
 
I honestly don't give a flying shit about this whole games for windows or not just make the games FUN. Just like at the old days, original doom and quake days and of course original Unreal Tournament.

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Dec 19, 2006, 12:42
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:42
 
Only thing I don't like is that you have to pay for live anywhere. If that is the only way you can play GFW games online, I won't be happy.

I can live with the xbox game pad requirement, even though that's just another way for MS to make money.

The other requirements I think are good ideas.

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Dec 19, 2006, 12:20
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:20
 
I agree with this.

People who dont like MS can go FK off and play on a linux box or a mac..yea, "have fun" ok?

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Re: Games For Satan
Dec 19, 2006, 12:11
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:11
 
To get GFW certification you have to comply with MS's draconian specs. Besides MS approving the content, this includes purchasing a key so that your game will appear in MS's game browser. MS also wants to use this to get gamers shackled to Live Anywhere.

and how long before a PC dev has to pay MS for each sold copy (just like console games), and how long before MS makes DX not-free unless you participate in GFW.

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Dec 19, 2006, 12:06
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:06
 
I really really cannot see a problem with this GFW push by Microsoft.

So what you'll have to buy Vista to play new games. Correct me if i'm wrong but werent there quite a few XP only games released when XP was?

Microsoft are just trying to enabling PC gaming easier for those unable/unwilling to learn the complete ins and outs of sustaining a PC. The number of times i've gone into a local GAME and bought a PC game to have someone behind the counter say "Have you read the specs? Can your machine handle it, because we dont offer refunds/trade ins with PC games". Now how many parents that aren't seriously into computers, know the difference between a P4 3GHZ and an AMD 64 3500+. I'll bet you pretty much most dont.

So why are so many people clamouring all over this saying it's stupid, it'll force us to buy Vista etc etc etc. No doubt you'll buy vista in the future. No doubt quite a few games will provide XP support as well. So what the hell is the problem?

I'm probably rambling again and not making more sense, but i don't care. This is a good thing. It means more games (hopefully good) for the PC with less hassel in trying to figure out if your computer can play the game without some show stopping hardware incompatability.

And to respond to nin, what the fuck is the problem with a Microsoft cross-platform compatability gaming system? Just because it's Microsoft it should be denounced and claimed as a spawn of the devil? Fuck that. It's handy.

Argh time to take some more "chill pills" i think



Edit: I was going to type something in rebuttle to Grandmaster Demonlord Toadeater, but i just can't type anything coherent enough due to the red mist i'm currently viewing.

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Games For Satan
Dec 19, 2006, 11:58
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Dec 19, 2006, 11:58
 
To get GFW certification you have to comply with MS's draconian specs. Besides MS approving the content, this includes purchasing a key so that your game will appear in MS's game browser. MS also wants to use this to get gamers shackled to Live Anywhere.

I think everyone realizes what Live is by now? Subscriptions for online games and micropayments for what PC gamers used to get for free. Yeah, great way to "improve" PC gaming MS! Once again MS's idea of "improvement" is how they can make more $$$, and how they can seize more control over the entire industry, not how to improve the user experience.

I hope publishers fight this initiative, because it's only good for MS.

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Re: DX10
Dec 19, 2006, 11:15
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Re: DX10 Dec 19, 2006, 11:15
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This article says nothing about DirectX 10. WTF?

I was going to say that, as this will be pushed with Vista, Vista will have DX10, but then again, there's games out right now with the logo that don't require DX10 (Relic's WWII RTS, Lego SW 2, etc).

So, good point...


A cross-platform community where you and I can jump from Xbox to PC to our cell phones seamlessly. Anywhere.

A unified cross-platform Microsoft solution. Their ad group must be peeing itself in excitement right now...





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Dec 19, 2006, 11:12
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Dec 19, 2006, 11:12
 
To me it seems like for Microsoft its business as usual.

The breakdown:

Windows needs to sell Vista and like all companies they want to sell LOTS of Vista.

Whats one way to sell Vista, by selling systems.

Whats a major reason that people buy new systems, to play the latest cutting edge games.

But what happens when most developers are dropping PC games in favor of Consoles. Less new cutting edge games are created. With less new games out there, the reason to upgrade becomes a less driving force. Less systems sold=less Vista sold (either by regular or OEM methods.

So what we're seeing here may be less of 'win the hearts and minds of gamers' and more of 'win the hearts and minds of game developers'.

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Dec 19, 2006, 11:04
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Dec 19, 2006, 11:04
 
The article doesn't say anything about what the GFW moniker indicates, either. Any company that wants it on their title will have to provide multi-core support, 64 bit support, and widescreen support. The WinSAT system is also great for people new to the PC, because they don't understand immediately why 2GB of RAM yet an intel onboard graphics card is not sufficient to run Oblivion.

Can't think of anything really bad about supporting all those features. Companies should be jumping on it, and I suspect that they will.

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DX10
Dec 19, 2006, 10:59
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DX10 Dec 19, 2006, 10:59
Dec 19, 2006, 10:59
 
This article says nothing about DirectX 10. WTF?

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