I'm just saying, a gun can either save your life or put you in danger.

That's something most gun owners don't think about, and it's the main reason I don't buy the "self defense" argument. In the movie Boogie Nights, somebody pulls a gun on a guy robbing a store, and because of that, three people (including the robber) end up dead. If the guy had just let the robber get away, noone would have died. Of course, movies aren't 100% realistic, but that scene didn't seem fake to me. I'm just saying that it can happen.

There's another scenario: like-minds think alike.

Scenario:

Intruder: "I'm gonna rob that house. I think I'll bring my gun just in case the guys crazy and tries to kill me. Better safe than sorry!"

Victim: "I'm gonna keep a gun in my nightstand in case someone comes in to rob me. Better safe than sorry!"

Intruder breaks in and Victim hears him.

Both see eachother with guns, and shooting ensues which might not have happened if the Victim just stayed quiet and called 9-1-1.

I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, but possible.

Personally I'm for owning guns for sharp-shooting, skeet shooting, hunting, and maybe self defense. I'm just saying, a gun can either save your life or put you in danger.


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If the pistol had been in their nightstand, where I keep mine at night, one of them could have easily taken it out, and shot at the intruder. And even if they didn't kill him, they would have slowed him down or something, possibly saving one or both of their lives. And when the guy kicked the door in, I'm quite sure they would have been awake. I can find links to pages describing all of the events and people I'm writing about if you want.

Well in that case, it's a shame they didn't have a gun (although they might have still wound up dead). But as anyone who's seen the end of The Godfather can attest, by the time someone with a shotgun knocks down your bedroom door, it's too late. I realize it's just a movie (although some would argue that point), but I think that part could easily happen in real life.

You don't have to argue your point though. Just because I would personally never own a gun, doesn't mean I'm against other people's right to do so. I don't think we need to necessarily take away every individual's firearms, even though I certainly support more restrictive gun laws. I do realize there are responsible people out there - although that number seems lower and lower every day. And I'm not just referring to carelessness with guns, I'm talking about general idiocy.

but if they were asleep how would a gun have helped them survive?

If the pistol had been in their nightstand, where I keep mine at night, one of them could have easily taken it out, and shot at the intruder. And even if they didn't kill him, they would have slowed him down or something, possibly saving one or both of their lives. And when the guy kicked the door in, I'm quite sure they would have been awake. I can find links to pages describing all of the events and people I'm writing about if you want.

Imagine this situation:

Someone breaks into your home with a pump action shotgun or other weapon, intent on killing you. Here are your options:

A) You have a pistol and can shoot back, and can possibly save your own life in the process.

B) You are unarmed, and are totally at the mercy of the person who broke in.

I'd rather be in category A.

That is what we all want. And I didnt say we should be feared as people you don't mess with? You came up with that. I'm just saying that some of us are armed, and won't tolerate being physically attacked. There have been several gay people killed in the southeastern United States - especially Alabama in the last few yeas. And I not going to let this happen to myself or any of my friends / loved ones, so therefore I am armed.

Sorry, but talking about carrying a gun makes it sound (to me anyway) like you are trying to pass yourself off as someone "not to be messed with." I probably should have made it clear that I'm one of those "damn liberals" that doesn't buy the "guns for defense" argument. I'm not convinced that having a gun would necessarily prevent murder, or even decrease the chances of it happening. For example, the case you mention about the gay couple being shot in their apartment - I don't know the details (nor do I want to - hearing about it is sickening enough), but if they were asleep how would a gun have helped them survive? Anyway, I wasn't trying to imply that you would draw a gun on someone. It's just with all your talk about carrying a gun, it sounded rather gung-ho. I thought your comment about Glocks was a joke, but your follow-up posts made it seem serious.

Again, I apologize for the confusion.

If you are heterosexual, then you cannot know how much hatred exists towards gay people unless you have personally experienced it. Seeing it happening to someone else is not the same. I have worked with people who talk about wanting to hunt down and kill homosexuals.

I'm sure that's true. I can only imagine how bad it is, although I've certainly heard my old coworkers talk about how much they hate gays and people that aren't white. They haven't talked about killing them, but I was offended anyway.

I was under the impression that the majority of gays and lebsians wanted to be left alone and treated like human beings, not feared as people "you don't mess with."

That is what we all want. And I didnt say we should be feared as people you don't mess with? You came up with that. I'm just saying that some of us are armed, and won't tolerate being physically attacked. There have been several gay people killed in the southeastern United States - especially Alabama in the last few yeas. And I not going to let this happen to myself or any of my friends / loved ones, so therefore I am armed.

This doesn't mean I want to shoot someone, or even show a gun. But there was a gay man shot in the head in Montgomery Alabama only 2 years ago. Another was cut with a knife, beaten with an axe handle, and burned to death on a pile of tires about five years ago. In Texas a few years ago, someone broke into the apartment of a gay couple, and shot them both to death with a pump action shotgun.

If you are heterosexual, then you cannot know how much hatred exists towards gay people unless you have personally experienced it. Seeing it happening to someone else is not the same. I have worked with people who talk about wanting to hunt down and kill homosexuals. I've been an activist, and tried the diplomatic "understanding" approach. It doesn't work with some people. They still want to hurt or kill you if they know who and where you are. Not all anti-gay people are violent, most are not. But you can't reason with people who want to break into the homes of gay people, shoot them with shotguns, or burn them to death.

And I also didn't say anything about showing or drawing a gun on someone who was harassing me did I? Again you make things up.

Some of us carry one, and you never know who it is. I would only draw if someone pulled a knife, gun, other weapon, and directly attacked me or someone I am with. And even after drawing I would not fire unless I had no choice. And even when I fired, I would shoot to stop or disable and not kill, unless I had no choice.

The comment about us all carrying Glocks was a JOKE.

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This comment was edited on Jun 11, 12:17.

Their dogs would have to get past my .45 ACP Glock 21 slugs first, which I seriously doubt would happen. And I'm accurate enough not to worry about a shotgun. And rednecks do not "all carry shotguns." Carrying a shotgun is illegal. You can have a shotgun in your house, but not in a mall or anywhere else in public.

Good for you - I'm glad you're handy with a pistol. However, I'd be willing to bet the majority of gays do not carry pistols. Just because someone has been the victim of bigotry doesn't mean they're going to pack heat - many people are opposed to using firearms and other weapons, just on principle.

Regarding the whole shotgun thing, what I meant was that rednecks keep shotguns at their homes. Of course they don't walk around with them. I was talking about running into rednecks on their turf. Besides, if people were harassing you in a public place (like a mall) and you drew a pistol on them, you'd be "in trouble" at the very least. Of course, the whole scene would have already drawn attention, but my point is that letting people see your gun is a good way to draw attention to yourself. I was under the impression that the majority of gays and lebsians wanted to be left alone and treated like human beings, not feared as people "you don't mess with."

This comment was edited on Jun 11, 10:25.

Unfortunately for you (if you really are gay, and not just joking about it - not like a give a fuck either way), rednecks all carry shotguns. And they all have dogs that would be happy to tear you a new one.

Their dogs would have to get past my .45 ACP Glock 21 slugs first, which I seriously doubt would happen. And I'm accurate enough not to worry about a shotgun. And rednecks do not "all carry shotguns." Carrying a shotgun is illegal. You can have a shotgun in your house, but not in a mall or anywhere else in public.

Besides, I think you are just using imaginary simplistic stereotypical nonsense to support what seems to me to be a lack of information about reality. The people who I might call "rednecks" living around here won't bother you if you don't bother them.

What I'm getting at is that just because someone is gay doesn't make them weak and defenseless. Actually it can be the other way around, since being exposed to almost nonstop anti-gay hatred over many years tends to make people more dangerous and defensive than they would have been otherwise.

This comment was edited on Jun 9, 19:34.

That's nothing, I live in Birmingham Alabama!!!!

Nice. Unfortunately I used to live in Jackson, Mississippi. If I remember correctly, Alabama is pretty much the same as far as intolerance goes. In Mississippi, not only can you not be gay, you can't even be black (or any other race besides white).

Now you too can be Gay anywhere, anytime, anywhy, and no one will say anything about it! Why?!

Because we all carry GLOCKS baby!

Unfortunately for you (if you really are gay, and not just joking about it - not like a give a fuck either way), rednecks all carry shotguns. And they all have dogs that would be happy to tear you a new one.

This comment was edited on Jun 9, 15:24.

Because we all carry GLOCKS baby!

"Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?"
"No, they all share one."





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Since I live in the middle of Virginia, I doubt that. If there are "plenty" of gay men here, they all stay in hiding, because I'm sure they don't want to get lynched. Unfortunately, the south is still pretty intolerant of races/religions/lifestyles other than the accepted norm.

Middle of Virginia you say?

That's nothing, I live in Birmingham Alabama!!!! The home of Nazi Roy Moore, the most dangerous state in the nation for gay people.

Don't be afraid!! Gay men everywhere now understand the TRUTH.

www.glock.com/

Now you too can be Gay anywhere, anytime, anywhy, and no one will say anything about it! Why?!

Because we all carry GLOCKS baby!

YEEEE-AH !!!!!!!!!!!

HELL no. I'm a nerd, but not that much of a nerd. I do intend to have sex with a girl someday...

Just give it up, son. That ain't never gonna happen...

Creston

A guy can dream, can't he?

Why do that when guys are sooo much better? And there are plenty of gay men around who want your body.

Since I live in the middle of Virginia, I doubt that. If there are "plenty" of gay men here, they all stay in hiding, because I'm sure they don't want to get lynched. Unfortunately, the south is still pretty intolerant of races/religions/lifestyles other than the accepted norm.

Not that I'd be looking for such men - I'm just saying...

Really. When you enter the clan stage of gaming, and advertise "recruiting," you no longer have the ability to call anyone else a nerd.

Well said. I'm a huge nerd, and don't have much of a social life, but at least I'm not in a clan. In fact, I rarely play online games anyway, and there's no way in hell that I'd ever use a headset. So there may yet be hope for my rehabilitation into a "normal" life.


This comment was edited on Jun 9, 08:05.

HELL no. I'm a nerd, but not that much of a nerd. I do intend to have sex with a girl someday...

Just give it up, son. That ain't never gonna happen...

Creston

These are the idiots who keep Valve in business and buy shit like its stuffed headcrabs.

I went to buy one of those today and they are sold out!:(

Opps...did I just admit to that?

Nevermind.

You're in a BF2 clan.

Really. When you enter the clan stage of gaming, and advertise "recruiting," you no longer have the ability to call anyone else a nerd

That was his point dude, if you post a comment on a video game site, you have no room to judge. Damnit, I came back to this thread.


Edit: Opps

This comment was edited on Jun 8, 16:40.

I mean seriously.....talk about D&D nerds.
I think I actually saw someone compare Gordon to Achilles!

Dude, you lose your roll - and I rolled a 20!

You're in a BF2 clan.

Really. When you enter the clan stage of gaming, and advertise "recruiting," you no longer have the ability to call anyone else a nerd.

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HELL no. I'm a nerd, but not that much of a nerd. I do intend to have sex with a girl someday...

Why do that when guys are sooo much better? And there are plenty of gay men around who want your body.

Well, that was unexpected...

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HELL no. I'm a nerd, but not that much of a nerd. I do intend to have sex with a girl someday...

Why do that when guys are sooo much better? And there are plenty of gay men around who want your body.

You guys are scaring me...


These are the idiots who keep Valve in business and buy shit like its stuffed headcrabs.

I mean seriously.....talk about D&D nerds.
I think I actually saw someone compare Gordon to Achilles!

Dude, you lose your roll - and I rolled a 20!

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Looking to add BF2 members to our clan. Drop a line if interested.

These are the idiots who keep Valve in business and buy shit like its stuffed headcrabs.

HELL no. I'm a nerd, but not that much of a nerd. I do intend to have sex with a girl someday...

This comment was edited on Jun 8, 15:08.