Farscape: crap. Andromeda: real crap. Firefly: boring (sorry). Enterprise: what a shame it was so crappy.

I agree with that (they all had reasonable concepts but were poorly executed), except I thought that Firefly was an amazing show, and Serenity a great film. It tried to do something different and not follow the typical cliches and it worked (for the most part). The music for the show really made it stand out. It's a real shame that it was cancelled - I just hope the DVD sales from the movie and TV series will be enough to bring it back.

SG1 has just gone downhill. The recent episode with the memory device was the most unoriginal episode I've ever seen - it felt like I'd already seen it, probably because it was so similar to the Voyager episode and a dozen different shows. Atlantis has also tanked recently. It doesn't surprise me that this game has been cancelled - it only looked average at best and I know I certainly won't be missing it. It's not like the Bablyon 5 space game that was cancelled years ago where it actually looked amazing.

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I heard Galileo was one big nutter: thought the world rotated around the sun, or something.

Except Galileo was ultimately respected by other scientists, it was the church that denounced him. Much like how Darwin today is considered to be the most believable theory of origin and creation/intelligent design denounces it. Nobody thought galileo was a nut except the nuts themselves.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Galileo.html

It seems difficult to believe that any preconceptions you might have about history revolve entirely around what you heard in grade school. Oops.

Yeah, Galileo was a real nutbar

Anyway, I doubt anyone here is even qualified to pass judgement on JoWood, MGM, or Perception. We (meaning the people not involved in the contracts and development) only see what the PR folk & lawyers release, which is rarely more than a glorified "he said...she said." All I can say, from direct experience, is what you see is what they want you to see, and the truth and reality are seldom contained therein.

-R.

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In the end it was pretty obvious MGM wanted the project canned for some reason that eludes everyone except them,

It may elude that clueless Perception employee, but it doesn't elude me at all. MGM knew that JoWood would successfully sue the hell out of whoever attempted to publish the game without them.

Developers need publishers to fund the creation of a game.

LOL! Perception tried to force its publisher into bankruptcy so it could terminate its contract even after the publisher had paid for development of the game up to that point, and now it bitches when it no longer has funding. You reap what you sow, fool!

This comment was edited on Jan 21, 19:10.

"if you think you're right, and the entire world thinks you're insane, who's more likely to be insane, you or everyone else?"

I heard Galileo was one big nutter: thought the world rotated around the sun, or something.
This comment was edited on Jan 21, 19:02.

.....and not surprisingly people like Overon and wildone were once again proven to not know what the heck they are talking about while shooting their mouths off anyway.
Suggesting that "Good games don’t get cancelled" is as about a Clueless and infantile statement as you will find on this board. Which is saying a lot, because about 90% of the posts here are clueless and infantile.

Oh Hellbinder...

Now my life is complete. I got personally flamed by Derek Smart and Hellbinder! But is it me or does Hellbinder sound a lot like Derek Smart?

This comment was edited on Jan 21, 18:57.

I knew MGM would eventually step in and either shut the game down or hand it over to someone else. Perception's actions never passed the smell test on this one.

By the way, where is "space captain" so I can gloat?

This comment was edited on Jan 21, 18:53.

for a second i had a heart attack ...
i thought the tv show cancelled not the game lol
thank god

They just signed for a record breaking 10th season, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't cancel right after becoming the longest running American sci-fi show ever...

I don’t personally watch it very much as I am to busy.

Yes, I imagine being a professional troll must take up a lot of your time.

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Suggesting that "Good games don’t get cancelled" is as about a Clueless and infantile statement as you will find on this board. Which is saying a lot, because about 90% of the posts here are clueless and infantile.

Wow, how many other names do you post under? It must be quite a few to make up 90% of the posts.

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Suggesting that "Good games don’t get cancelled" is as about a Clueless and infantile statement as you will find on this board. Which is saying a lot, because about 90% of the posts here are clueless and infantile.

Whew, ok, for a minute there i thought you were excluding yourself. Make no mistake Hellbinder, you're as clueless and infantile as they get. I bet just about everyone would agree with me. And before you get all "they're just mad 'cuz i'm right" on us, let me ask you something: if you think you're right, and the entire world thinks you're insane, who's more likely to be insane, you or everyone else?

But they just don't understand your genius!

Right?

for a second i had a heart attack ...
i thought the tv show cancelled not the game lol
thank god

Products that the publisher thinks can earn a profit get published

Although this is true, inferring that the quality of the product is the primary factor in determining if a product is cancelled and/or not picked up is VERY naïve, especially in today’s climate. Making a shooter a success in today’s market takes far more than a good product, it takes tremendous brute force marketing, strong advertising and media support, strong relationship with retailers, basically things that very few publishers can pull off now (and Jowood clearly can’t do it). To make matters worse, a product like this may not see a profit until the 2nd or 3rd installment in a franchise, and there’s certainly no indication that whoever picks the title up has rights to more than one game (and there may be many other contractual limitations at play). Licensed properties are typically only profitable at the height of the property’s popularity, and only if it’s very popular (like LoTR, King Kong, Matrix, that sort of thing), a property like StarGate is a decent property, but only if you can leverage it for much more than one game, otherwise you’re likely sacrificing too much for it (Sega’s NFL loss is a good example of the dangers of investing in a property you don’t completely own). I’m not vouching for the quality of the product, I’ve seen no indication it’s particularly special, but assuming that it’s demise is due to a lack of quality shows a limited understanding of business, and an extreme lack of understanding about the game industry.

SG1 definitely jumped the shark. I stopped watching it finally when whatsisname came on board, from that other show. But before that it was pretty damn good. I was looking forward to the game--I hate when things like this happen because of bickering, greed, and legal disputes and what not.

Farscape: crap. Andromeda: real crap. Firefly: boring (sorry). Enterprise: what a shame it was so crappy. BG is the only really exciting scifi show out there. I loved the miniseries to death. I thought I hated the regular series based on just seeing a few episodes here and there whenever a friend with cable would tape it for me, but since watching the DVDs in order I like it a LOT more than I did. Can't wait to start watching season 2.

Surface: You know, I like that show. But you really really really have to see them all and in order. It's way more soap operish than other series. A friend asked me if he should start watching it and I said don't bother. He keeps trying to get me to watch Lost and 24 but I just can't make myself do it.

Yeah, I know I'll catch hell from you guys about Firefly. I only watched a few episodes here and there. Could be I need to see them all in order on DVDs, but it really seemed so damn boring to me.

This comment was edited on Jan 21, 17:29.

Hi Dan--

I'll just offer this one example: This week's episode, and alternate SG1 team came through and caused mayhem by trying to steal Atlantis's ZPM. Now, I don't watch the show that much, but I know this. If an SG1 team left in green uniforms, and came back early in black uniforms, General Hammond (Don Davis) or O'niel (RDA) would have said "shoot them", rather than letting them have free reign of SGC until a lightbulb went off saying "gee, these aren't my guys..."

Hellovashort story, huh?



As for my "going to hell" comment, by comparison to the mythological tie-ins that the Gouaould had (egyptian gods), the Auri are a very sad and unbelievable attempt at saying "oops! they aren't canning the show...we need new bad guys. STAT!"

These new bad guys read like Star Trek Technobabble(tm)... IMO.

-R.
This comment was edited on Jan 21, 23:20.

Oh and I have to give my 2 cents on Andromeda. That shit was absolutely terrible from throughout. There's no excuse to say that show was any good.

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I watch SG1 here and there but I've just been getting interested in it recently because it seems to me to have been getting good. I really like the Auri (Ori? Who knows?) and I'm curious to see how they plan on fighting them. I didn't mind when it turned into Fargate. I couldn't get into Farscape but I prefer seeing that actress in the show than the actress who plays Carter. I really don't think they need RDA at all.

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pgoelven- keep in mind, though, that while Andromeda was total drivel, for the majority of it's life it was a syndicated show (read: not tied to a network). Because of that, it could survive free from the scrupulus judge of neilson ratings, as it was just "filler material" for late nite or opposite football games.

Sadly, Firefly would have done better had they not tried to go with FOX. Syndication or Showtime would have been a better route for them. It's all about $$$$ and Ratings in the network gigs.

SciFi really lucked out with BSG. I just hope they don't blow it, and that RDM has the writs in his contract to keep the suits out of the editing room.

-R.
This comment was edited on Jan 21, 23:21.

Btw, if you think BSG is a bad show you don’t deserve and opinion.

Even TVguide and other major TV outlets are calling BSG the best show on TV right now. It won "best show on TV" in more than one mag.

I don’t personally watch it very much as I am to busy. What i have seen is about as far as you can get from a "bad show".

I think they should just cancel TV. I got rid of my TV so I could study 4 years ago ... I haven't bothered to get one again. Every time I go to my friends place he has it one and I can't help but cringe at the crap on TV.