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38. Re: No subject Dec 15, 2005, 16:37 Zathrus
 
as I recall, terrorist organizations were shut down all across Iraq

No they weren't. There was effectively no terrorist activity in Iraq prior to the US invasion. This has been confirmed by a rather large number of intelligence services at this point -- including the CIA.

Anyone who has signed up since the first scuffle in Kuwait and Iraq years ago, had full knowledge and expectations that it would continue soon.

That's the first I've ever heard someone say that. And given that W went into office claiming that he wasn't going to do "nationbuilding" then I'd say they certainly didn't expect to do so.

I'm not saying that they should expect a "free ride in the military", but I also think that George W. Bush and his administration have done a huge disservice to our armed services by sending them into Iraq under what was, at best, questionable reasoning. Understand, I was supportive of the war at the start for the very simple reason that I couldn't think anyone would push for invading a country without significant international support without absolutely rock solid intelligence and reasoning behind it. So we've now sacrificed a vast amount of international goodwill (remember just after 9/11? When everyone was with us? Compare that to now.) and an absolutely mind boggling amount of resources for the forseeable future into rebuilding Iraq. Hell, if North Korea, Iran, or China act up right now there's pretty much nothing we can do about it -- our military is already pretty well stretched.

is there anyone here that really thinks Saddam should have stayed in power?

He was an asshole and an evil man. Want to start making that the criteria for removing leaders of sovereign nations? I seem to recall that the Republicans screamed bloody murder about that during Clinton's administration (not that Clinton did a great job; but saying it's ok now is the height of hypocrisy). So remind me again, why aren't we removing Mugabe? Or Kim Jong Il? Or restoring order in Somalia (hey, they don't even have a central government to depose!)? Or a number of other leaders who are clearly doing the worst possible for their country?

The have running water now, they have elcetricity, their economy is growing, they have a stock market, they have freedom of speech, woman are no longer afraid.

They had running water, they had electricity (and, on average, they had more prior to the invasion of both). Their economy is growing now because there's not many other directions to go from zero (and, to be fair, it was crap under Saddam; largely because of the UN sanctions, but that was Saddam's fault). The freedom of speech is significant, no question. As for the women -- uh, yes they are still afraid. You realize that if the Shiite majority gets what they want in the end that you'll have an Islamic state similar to Saudi Arabia? That's not somewhere I'd want to live if I was a woman. Pre-invasion Iraq wasn't the best middle eastern country for women, but it was far from the worst, and it was better than it is currently. There's hope that it'll become far better, but that's a long ways off.

 
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