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Re: xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 13, 2005, 23:20
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Re: xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 13, 2005, 23:20
Oct 13, 2005, 23:20
 
No, I was really hoping to wait for PCI Express and for the 6800GT's to drop in price. But it made little sense to buy parts to try and make her old system run, so I wound up buying a new one for me.

Ok... she didn't have to exactly twist my arm... but it would've been nice to get a NF4 board (NF3 150 -- later replaced by a NF3 250 when the 150 died -- Chaintech sucks) and PCI Express video (probably would've gone for the GF6600GT at that point and saved $150-200).

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Re: xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 13, 2005, 17:17
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Re: xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 13, 2005, 17:17
Oct 13, 2005, 17:17
 
The only reason I upgraded to my current system was because my wife's PC went on the fritz, and she told me to

Oh SUUUUURRE Zathrus, you ONLY upgraded because your wife told you to

It's not like you WANTED to or anything, she had to hold a gun to your head to force you into it...

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Re: xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 13, 2005, 14:56
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Re: xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 13, 2005, 14:56
Oct 13, 2005, 14:56
 
I suppose if your Zathrus or Creston, whom seem to have to have the latest and greatest

Yeah, an Athlon64 3000+, GF6800GT w/ 1 GB of RAM is the latest and greatest.

Oh, maybe you prefer the system I had for a year prior to that -- Athlon 2200 XP, GeForce Ti4200, 512 MB. Or the one I had for 2.5 years prior to that -- Athlon 1400, GF2, 512 MB.

The only reason I upgraded to my current system was because my wife's PC went on the fritz, and she told me to. Otherwise I would've waited quite awhile longer. And I never buy "top of the line" because the price/performance just blows.

I honestly doubt either see past the technology to the game itself.

Yes, because you were discussing gameplay previously. Nice try -- no cookie. The discussion was on graphics, and that alone. The last generation of consoles actually had an edge when they came out. This generation does not. In fact, this generation's chips are less powerful than the top-of-the-line chips available on the PC today.

And I'm not going to get into the pissing match of console vs PC gaming -- they're completely different beasts. But you cannot talk about "unprecedented graphics" and not expect to be called for talking out of your ass.

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Re: xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 13, 2005, 09:29
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Re: xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 13, 2005, 09:29
Oct 13, 2005, 09:29
 
lol. I suppose if your Zathrus or Creston, whom seem to have to have the latest and greatest.

Eh? I upgraded to this current system (Athlon64 3500+, nForce4 mobo, X800XL, 1 Gig) in February. It's a nice system, for sure, but I'd hardly call it "the latest and greatest."

Before that, I had an Athlon1900 with a Geforce4 ti4200 and 512 memory for about 3 years, and only upgraded to the radeon 9800 pro when it became available.

I'm not really a shining example of a state of the art junkie.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 22:21
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 22:21
Oct 12, 2005, 22:21
 
and the console hype will only get worse the closer to xmas we get. it's getting to be like Political Election Campaign ads - you just tune them out completely til after its all over.

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Re: xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 12, 2005, 22:16
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Re: xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 12, 2005, 22:16
Oct 12, 2005, 22:16
 
Beyond that the console fans claim you pay huge ammounts of money for a PC, and have to throw in 'a thousand bucks or more every year' to keep it updated. Well if you plan on owning a next gen console and have it display graphics even close to a PC's or what you see in 'tech demos' and such you'll be spending even more for that plasma display wont ya?



lol. I suppose if your Zathrus or Creston, whom seem to have to have the latest and greatest. I honestly doubt either see past the technology to the game itself. As I've always said, it's always about the games. All the power of a PC is nice, but patching the fuckin' games, upgrading every year to get inconsequential results...a console you just plug in and go, for the most part.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 19:02
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 19:02
Oct 12, 2005, 19:02
 
@Fantaz
To question the greatness of Goldeneye is not wise. Few games in the past decade have even approached the enormous steps it took and almost every FPS today uses features it was the first to introduce. If you were not lucky enough to be playing games back in the N64 days I cannot express how revolutionary this title was. It more than deserves the 9.8 rating and for the the subsequent title, perfect dark, to be given a 9.9 says something about the company and people who made it. I never played the perfect dark on the N64 but I played Goldeneye till my fingers bled.

So do I think Perfect dark Zero is going to be an outstanding FPS, and possibly revolutionary? Damn right I do.

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xbox360 vs PS3
Oct 12, 2005, 16:19
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xbox360 vs PS3 Oct 12, 2005, 16:19
Oct 12, 2005, 16:19
 
Whats funny about this is 6 months after comming out they will put out a new article entitled

Xbox vs PS3 and how the PC seems to still be better then either of them.

"Right. Because, you know, it's not as if Jedi Outcast, Soldier of Fortune 2, Farcry and most recently Black & White 2 have not all done the individual blades of grass blowing in the wind bit"

Basicly it seams both companies are ingoring the PC graphics market because they know they cant possibly hope to compete, even these new consoles. It was helarious at E3 when both were showing cut-scenes and claiming it was actual gameplay and then later when the PC crowd talked to them they admitted it was a cuscene, but it was 'rendered on the console' like that means didly to anyone who knows what they are talking about.

It's why when you see a PC game advertised it's 5% cutscene and 95% in game graphics. But when you see a Console game advertised you might be lucky to see a 2 second clip of action and the rest is cutscenes, even with 'next gen' stuff.

Beyond that the console fans claim you pay huge ammounts of money for a PC, and have to throw in 'a thousand bucks or more every year' to keep it updated. Well if you plan on owning a next gen console and have it display graphics even close to a PC's or what you see in 'tech demos' and such you'll be spending even more for that plasma display wont ya?

It's all so hyped and helarious to watch from a PC gamers prospective.

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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshot
Oct 12, 2005, 15:57
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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshot Oct 12, 2005, 15:57
Oct 12, 2005, 15:57
 
And maybe it is just me, but that third GoW shot screams fake...

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. If thats ingame then thats one amazing engine...
If so, I want to see that in a gameplay video


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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 15:14
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 15:14
Oct 12, 2005, 15:14
 
NBA 2K6 looks like it has the best graphics of all the new sports games.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 15:02
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 15:02
Oct 12, 2005, 15:02
 
I remember the clip you are talking about and I think that was an example of how a game will run without the 20gb hard drive attachment on the machine. The clip of project gotham racing I recall of vegas was absolutely beautiful and did not have any of those artifacts seen in the clip you mention. (Course it didn't have the intense amount of buildings either in vegas so we'll have to wait and see)

Well, since every developer will HAVE to program as if the customer does NOT have a harddisk, due to J. Allard's absurd dual SKU policy, it's a safe bet that the game WILL look like that. Unless it takes the smart approach of "if harddisk = yes : Install to harddisk", but even so it then still screws the morons simpletons who buy the xbox360 without the harddisk. Which, presumably, will be most parents, who see a 299 console and a 399 console, and have no damn clue what the difference between the two is, so they'll pick up the cheaper option.

Perfect Dark Zero. I'm not sure what to expect from that game but coming from the guys who did Goldeneye and perfect dark I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Perfect Dark got a 9.9, and goldeneye got a 9.8 (gamespot). No one gets scores like that, I pray they haven't lost their touch.

I'm not saying it won't be a good game. Heck, it may become the best game ever made. Doubtful, but possible. What I'm saying is that it looks like ass, which is what the whole article is about. In the videos they showed recently, they zoom in on a wall to show just how amazing it looks.
Oh yeah, it definitely looked so much better than Half Life 2, fellas. Yawn. It looked more like the Quake 2 engine to me.

So many news sites nowadays will just post any damn soundbite from some mongrel at Microsoft / Sony / EA / whatever without even bothering to check if that soundbite is even true. I expect this kind of 'journalism' from fanboy crapholes like xbox365.com, NOT from a site pretending to be a credible news source.

Microsoft's "One Play DVD" is a perfect example. Copy Paste Journalism is all the rage these days, it seems.

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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshot
Oct 12, 2005, 14:28
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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshot Oct 12, 2005, 14:28
Oct 12, 2005, 14:28
 
If you start noticing some jaggies in a shot that is only three inches wide on a 1600x1200 computer display, you will notice a lot more when it is displayed on a larger, lower resolution television.

Note that those jaggies could be due to compression artifacts (although I know that in some cases the devs have said they weren't, but were actually due to the game).

Resolution is kind of odd... 720p is 1280x720 @60 fps. 1080i games are more or less 1920x1080 @30 fps (or 1920x540 @60fps; take your pick).

I'm very much with Creston's first post though -- these guys seem to be completely ignoring PC graphics for the last few years. Unsurprising since consoles couldn't hold a candle to them. But when you're talking about the next gen systems which have graphics abilities roughly equivalent to the top of the line of current PC video, ignoring the PC is just silly.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 14:23
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 14:23
Oct 12, 2005, 14:23
 
Tumbler, just because Perfect Dark for N64 got a 9.9 and Goldeneye got a 9.8 from CrapSpot do you actually believe them? Have you ever even bothered playing the actual game yourself? Tumbler, Tumbler, Tumbler... plz go back to BF2 and leave us alone. Nobody likes fanboys!

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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshots
Oct 12, 2005, 14:12
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Re: Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshots Oct 12, 2005, 14:12
Oct 12, 2005, 14:12
 
Creston is just insane with PR like I am.

Having said that, I do think - currently - the 360 has more talk than proof. But you can see some nice, little touches in most games and a few do look quite good.

And, yeah, you have to wonder what is being shown, how it is being shown, or that you are looking at it on a monitor. If you start noticing some jaggies in a shot that is only three inches wide on a 1600x1200 computer display, you will notice a lot more when it is displayed on a larger, lower resolution television.

And maybe it is just me, but that third GoW shot screams fake...
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Graphics
Oct 12, 2005, 14:02
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Oct 12, 2005, 14:02
 
GoW and PGR 3 look awesome. No doubt about it. However, I believe they've been showing us hi-def shots. So unless you have a hi-def television/monitor, your 27 inch magnavox aint gonna cut it. no way in hell those images will look as good (sharp and crisp) on a regular tv. many people are turning a blind eye to it too. they'll find out when they hook it up....and then cry.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 13:38
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 13:38
Oct 12, 2005, 13:38
 
I like how they show that madden cut scene as the game, um hellooo. The screens from that article showing the NBA game are pretty impressive, but also is that in-game?
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 13:02
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 13:02
Oct 12, 2005, 13:02
 
Oh, in screenshots it looks great. But when it goes into motion, there's a crapload of artifacts because the DVD can't spool the graphics fast enough. Not sure where I saw that, was pretty recently.

I remember the clip you are talking about and I think that was an example of how a game will run without the 20gb hard drive attachment on the machine. The clip of project gotham racing I recall of vegas was absolutely beautiful and did not have any of those artifacts seen in the clip you mention. (Course it didn't have the intense amount of buildings either in vegas so we'll have to wait and see)

Perfect Dark Zero. I'm not sure what to expect from that game but coming from the guys who did Goldeneye and perfect dark I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Perfect Dark got a 9.9, and goldeneye got a 9.8 (gamespot). No one gets scores like that, I pray they haven't lost their touch.

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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 12:26
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 12:26
Oct 12, 2005, 12:26
 
the stuff I'm seeing in Project Gotham racing looks worlds ahead of what I've seen in the past.

Oh, in screenshots it looks great. But when it goes into motion, there's a crapload of artifacts because the DVD can't spool the graphics fast enough. Not sure where I saw that, was pretty recently.
And Perfect Dark Zero looks approximately like Deus Ex IW did. Kameo? Errmmm...

Anyone can make a great looking texture, the question is how well does it run.

And Oblivion?
Oblivion does look nice, granted. More the exception than the rule, though. It's funny that the Microsoft turd quotes Kameo rather than Oblivion.
I'm still pretty skeptical that it'll be out this year. For that matter, I'm pretty skeptical that Microsoft is going to have even four games out on release day...


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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level
Oct 12, 2005, 11:55
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Re: Vivid Graphics Xbox360 new level Oct 12, 2005, 11:55
Oct 12, 2005, 11:55
 
I am a victim of this Xbox 360 hype cause I want it BAD.

Graphics from 2003? Hmm guess you need glasses because the stuff I'm seeing in Project Gotham racing looks worlds ahead of what I've seen in the past. I can't wait to drive down Las Vegas Blvd. And Oblivion? 2003? Hm..no. Not sure what clips you're looking at but graphics on te 360 are definitely impressive.

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Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshots
Oct 12, 2005, 11:52
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Gears of War New Xbox 360 Screenshots Oct 12, 2005, 11:52
Oct 12, 2005, 11:52
 
Are those really ingame? I'm curious to see how well it will run..

If this were a current-generation game, this would be a flat ground -- one big smeary texture

Yeah, he must be living in the past. Remember the 90s?

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