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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 20:48
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 20:48
Oct 3, 2005, 20:48
 
Good lord! This thread still going on?! Fugured people had moved on to ignoring Riley by now.

Guess not

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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 12:28
Beamer
 
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 12:28
Oct 3, 2005, 12:28
 Beamer
 
And if something has the potential to be abused as a threat it therefore will be.


It took me under 5 minutes to download DoD. No precaching. That was fairly close to immediate.

Of course, that's also about how long I played it for.

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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 10:29
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Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 10:29
Oct 3, 2005, 10:29
 nin
 
Lord, you sure do. Again and again and again, over and over, ad nauseam. For reasons you would be well rewarded to explore with a qualified counselor.


He has the mentality of a small child, where, if he doesn't enjoy something, no one else should either.



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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 10:19
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 10:19
Oct 3, 2005, 10:19
 
As for Valve looking bad, it does that all by itself. I just point it out.

Lord, you sure do. Again and again and again, over and over, ad nauseam. For reasons you would be well rewarded to explore with a qualified counselor.

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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 10:02
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 10:02
Oct 3, 2005, 10:02
 
This right here shows your complete idiocy or desire to make up stuff out of thin air to argue against Valve.

If they hadn't done it that way you know full well you would be bitching about how it took 18 hours to download on the release day.
It is idiotic of you to claim that Steam is immediate. It is far from it. To say that I would complain about an 18 hour download on release day is also idiotic. Downloading that much data takes a lot of time. I know that, and I stated it. You want to gloss over that fact to make Steam seem immediate when it is far from it.

Until typical Internet bandwidth speeds increase dramatically or until AAA video games get much, much smaller than they are, immediacy will not be an advantage of digital distribution. And, until Valve increases the capacity and reliability of Steam, it certainly won't be an advantage of it as it has always been unavailable for some every time a popular new game or update has been released on Steam.

It's just a case of you finding whatever you can pick and pull out of someone's post to use to make up stuff to make Valve look bad.
I simply responded to the drivel you posted. Don't want me to make you look bad? Don't write such sycophantish crap. As for Valve looking bad, it does that all by itself. I just point it out.

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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 08:04
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 08:04
Oct 3, 2005, 08:04
 
Valve BAD! Valve VERY, VERY BAD!! Did I mention they were BAD? Because that's what they are. Bad. Really.

We get it, Riley. Oh, how we get it.

Actually, Riley is simply living out Monty Python's "Argument Sketch", an excerpt of which follows:

"M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!"

If this curiously fixated fellow were to apply his ferocious, single-minded tenacity to something like, say, selling Alticor (nee Amway) products, he would soon be rich enough to buy Valve and do with it as he wishes.

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Re: No subject
Oct 3, 2005, 05:17
Re: No subject Oct 3, 2005, 05:17
Oct 3, 2005, 05:17
 
t still took 18 hours or more to download all of that content (if you have a standard 1.5MBps broadband connection). The fact that it may have happened before the official release is irrelevant. Technically, Valve could have made the game available as soon as you downloaded the files and not made you wait to a certain date to activate and decrypt them.

Saying that Steam is immediate is therefore a specious argument. It would be like me saying that retail is immediate because I have my butler stand outside the video game store when it opens, and he picks the game up and installs it on my PC so it is immediately ready to play when I get home.

??????

This right here shows your complete idiocy or desire to make up stuff out of thin air to argue against Valve.

If they hadn't done it that way you know full well you would be bitching about how it took 18 hours to download on the release day. Instead by allowing people to prep it ahead of time they where able to play it much earlier the night the release date hit (and if you remember they tried to unlock it over the weekend when the retail versions got put on the shelves early, but Vivendi said "no"... and I bet your going to come up with some tin foil method to turn even this around into a negative slash against valve).

Riley, you are a biased Valve hater. I'm just someone who's used their products succesfuly. It's as simple as that. You are completely blind. Someone buys a product and says, "Wow I really like everything I've bought from this company over the past 6-7 years, everything works great and does what I expect." Your going to stand there and tell them they're wrong? You don't even go for the "Well yeah but look at all these other cases where it didn't work right argument" like I was expecting. Instead you accuse me of being some poster child spokes person for Valve. Of course I'm happy with them... I've never had any reason not to be.

You either A) don't actualy hate valve, your just here stirring up the pot because you find it amusing, and I actualy think this is the more likely case because no one can be so B) Completely blinded by your own hatred made up in your head concerning Valve.

Anyways arguing with you isn't a discussion. It's just a case of you finding whatever you can pick and pull out of someone's post to use to make up stuff to make Valve look bad. I don't understand your desire to do this... but have fun. I'm out.

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Re: No subject
Oct 2, 2005, 00:50
Re: No subject Oct 2, 2005, 00:50
Oct 2, 2005, 00:50
 
of course, how stupid am i to not see that.

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Re: No subject
Oct 1, 2005, 21:34
Re: No subject Oct 1, 2005, 21:34
Oct 1, 2005, 21:34
 
I see, someone likes something you don't, ergo they are blindly following Valve.
No, his arguments were specious as I pointed out. He was simply regurgitating Valve's company line as a blind follower would.

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Re: No subject
Oct 1, 2005, 21:24
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Oct 1, 2005, 21:24
 
I see, someone likes something you don't, ergo they are blindly following Valve.

Wow.

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Oct 1, 2005, 17:45
Re: No subject Oct 1, 2005, 17:45
Oct 1, 2005, 17:45
 
Half-Life 2 is released over steam, I was playing it 15 minutes later.

Last week DoD:S was released over steam, I was playing it about 10 minutes after release. Less time then it would have taken me to find my keys and head down to the local game store.
It still took 18 hours or more to download all of that content (if you have a standard 1.5MBps broadband connection). The fact that it may have happened before the official release is irrelevant. Technically, Valve could have made the game available as soon as you downloaded the files and not made you wait to a certain date to activate and decrypt them.

Saying that Steam is immediate is therefore a specious argument. It would be like me saying that retail is immediate because I have my butler stand outside the video game store when it opens, and he picks the game up and installs it on my PC so it is immediately ready to play when I get home.

if Valve ever goes under they will unlock all purchased game content.
Where has Valve officially stated that is the case? As far as I know it hasn't, and even if it had, Valve's history of promises on its future actions demonstrates that they don't have much validity.

You absolutely have to accept any patches they give you.
That is also true of Steam games. Content is updated and forced upon the client each time the game is launched. There is no option or prompt to prevent this update. Turning auto-updates off just disables updating games in the background. But, the games are always updated at launch if online and an update is available. Even many modified game files get overwritten.

And if they ever shut down the servers they are running, you are literaly stuck with a game you can't use.
Similar to what Valve did to all Half-Life 1 owners when it forced Steam upon them to continue to play online.

No I don't blindly follow Valve
Your post demonstrates otherwise.

This comment was edited on Oct 1, 21:35.
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Re: No subject
Oct 1, 2005, 17:35
Re: No subject Oct 1, 2005, 17:35
Oct 1, 2005, 17:35
 
1) Riley, no, if you buy HL via Steam you can download it as a free mod, just like you can download every other free mod. CS is a free mod and comes with all versions of HL for free. I repeat: CS is a free mod and comes with all versions of HL for free. One last time: CS is a free mod and comes with all versions of HL for free.
You can repeat it as much as you like, but you are still wrong. If Counterstrike came with Valve's Half-Life 1 Steam offering, it would be listed in the contents on the official Steam sales page I cited. It is NOT an omission. Counterstrike costs extra. It is also not included in Valve's new Half-Life 1 retail offering.

Riley, you're the one that has the bias towards developers, not games. You go into every single Valve thread. In fact, you rarely pop your head into a discussion that isn't about Valve.
If you actually read through my post history, you would know that is NOT true. I have posted in more threads which don't pertain to Valve than those that do.

Which makes it hysterical that you claim to be the one without the bias.
I didn't post anything about me not having bias. I said I am not a FAN of game companies; I am a customer. I am biased against Valve based upon its past actions with Steam. I was a satisified customer up until that point.

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Re: hmm
Sep 30, 2005, 14:07
Re: hmm Sep 30, 2005, 14:07
Sep 30, 2005, 14:07
 
ROTFLMAO.

valve and steam have a major client problem it appears do to a credit and debt card processing malfunction thousands of gammers around the world who prepaid and later down loaded source later had the game removed saying their credit card was denied when in fact their bank says the transaction was approved. Now they sit in limbo with a pending transaction and no game. a high ranking ceo will have to resign when this is said and done this is going to be a hugh problem with people already talking about class action law suits.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company. But a CEO stepping down? Ha, I doubt it. More like they fix the problem in a week or 2, post an apology and never look back. If I had pre purchased this I would expect to see another charge when they "fix" this problem and turn all those accounts back on.

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Re: hmm
Sep 30, 2005, 01:28
Re: hmm Sep 30, 2005, 01:28
Sep 30, 2005, 01:28
 
valve and steam have a major client problem it appears do to a credit and debt card processing malfunction thousands of gammers around the world who prepaid and later down loaded source later had the game removed saying their credit card was denied when in fact their bank says the transaction was approved. Now they sit in limbo with a pending transaction and no game. a high ranking ceo will have to resign when this is said and done this is going to be a hugh problem with people already talking about class action law suits.

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Re: hmm
Sep 29, 2005, 18:28
Re: hmm Sep 29, 2005, 18:28
Sep 29, 2005, 18:28
 
Stupid me, thinking I would read something that resmebled anything like a review of the game since everyone is so farking knowledgable about everything related to gameplay.


Well said....I have no idea what these ppl are discussing or arguing about. It's become so convoluted and muddy.

Still, forcing me to use Steam, long load times, and the constant squeeze leave me pissed. It's just not worth the effort.

BTW, HL2 makes me sleepy. Very few FPS have ever done that.

But hey, thats just my 0-pinion.

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hmm
Sep 29, 2005, 11:29
hmm Sep 29, 2005, 11:29
Sep 29, 2005, 11:29
 
Well, back from Vegas and obviously didn't miss anything as of yet.

I don't think there was 1 post that had anything to say about DoD:S. There WAS the lighting conversation, but turned into a pissin' match about wits and words.

Stupid me, thinking I would read something that resmebled anything like a review of the game since everyone is so farking knowledgable about everything related to gameplay.

Guess I just have to wait until I get home and try it myself.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2005, 22:46
Re: No subject Sep 28, 2005, 22:46
Sep 28, 2005, 22:46
 
...ok. I already brought up the possibility that they certainly might not do this in my original post. I then followed with my personal opinion that they would, and made it clear it was my opinion. Are you arguing I shouldn't express an opinion? I didn't state it as fact.

Opine away. My point was never about what their intentions were, it was about what the reality of the situation might be. I'm not trying to argue about whether they are good or evil. My point was simply that theorizing about future events for which we have no data is not really constructive. There is no rational way to tell if Valve shutting down would result in the HL2 content being unlocked or not. People's opinions notwithstanding.

I then brought up a situation that I think leaves the customer much more dependant on an outside source to run yet I don't see people like Riley flipping out over it.

I think that illustrates my point nicely, and where I have to agree with Riley. When you buy a MMO game, you do so with the full understanding that it IS a MMO game. And you understand that that means you need to connect to the game server to play your game.

The same is not true (in the slightest) of buying a FPS. Someone going to the store to buy a FPS isn't going to consider the fact that they may be required to connect to a central server to play the game. It's a matter of expectations.

Now you can argue that if enough companies go the way Valve is, then expectations would change, and I'd agree with you. But that doesn't change the fact that now Valve caused (or potentially caused) a great deal of hassle with the policy the implemented. One that really has no practical purpose. But I suppose we can argue that point another day.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2005, 22:23
Re: No subject Sep 28, 2005, 22:23
Sep 28, 2005, 22:23
 
Uh, and that was exactly my point. There's no way to tell one way other the other, so making an assumption that it is going to happen is just as silly as making one that it isn't.

...ok. I already brought up the possibility that they certainly might not do this in my original post. I then followed with my personal opinion that they would, and made it clear it was my opinion. Are you arguing I shouldn't express an opinion? I didn't state it as fact.

No, your comparison is not valid. Your comparison would only be valid if the customer expectations were similar, and they aren't.

Again I'm at a loss at what your arguing here. The situations to me are similar in that they are both dependant on an outside source to run. My point being one isn't bludgeoned to death at every concievable oppurtunity by the same people over and over even though the player is in a much more dependant state with the other. And at the same time pointing out the definition of renting the game is much more apt, as you *do* pay a monthly fee or no game.

Obviously you get alot more from WoW for paying that price, but I'm not discussing that. Nor have a problem with it.

[edit] Let me back up here. I think the point of my post isn't coming across to you. I first showed the positive experience I've had with Valve over the years to set up the possibility that what valve does isn't so bad and actualy does work in at least my case. Riley has this blanket beliefe that if you use steam your doing the wrong thing, and he doesn't seem to think that's just his oppinion.

I then brought up a situation that I think leaves the customer much more dependant on an outside source to run yet I don't see people like Riley flipping out over it... all I'm doing is showing that I believe there's a lot of personal bias / paranoia towards Valve. I don't have a problem with how Blizzard runs WoW at all and it's not what I'm discussing.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2005, 22:08
Re: No subject Sep 28, 2005, 22:08
Sep 28, 2005, 22:08
 
And why not believe the claim? It's just as much a personal decission as not believing the claim.

Uh, and that was exactly my point. There's no way to tell one way other the other, so making an assumption that it is going to happen is just as silly as making one that it isn't.

My comparison is valid, they are both video games you purchase for a flat fee. One you continue to pay per month and if it ever shuts down your screwed.

No, your comparison is not valid. Your comparison would only be valid if the customer expectations were similar, and they aren't.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2005, 22:01
Re: No subject Sep 28, 2005, 22:01
Sep 28, 2005, 22:01
 
And all Valve has to do if they did choose is to release a steam client to the net that automaticly unlocks all local .gcf files.


This comment was edited on Sep 28, 22:05.
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