Quake II as an MMOG

alphaWorks OptimalGrid Overview has middleware code to operate Quake II as an MMOG, the latest fruits of efforts at IBM to facilitate games, in this case Quake II, on a grid of servers (story). Here's what they sent along about this:
OptimalGrid is a self-contained middleware designed for developers to create grid-enabled parallel applications without themselves becoming experts in grid or high-performance computing (article). The Linux compatible middleware now includes automatic distribution and provisioning on to Grid nodes. See how the first release of Quake II was made massively multi-player by running on a Grid. Get modified Quake II from Sourceforge to run with OptimalGrid and let the massive Grid games begin.
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Sep 19, 2005, 04:15
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Sep 19, 2005, 04:15
 
tango, either you are too close to see the forest for the trees - or you are just plain deluded... I think the most telling point is your absolute refusal to entertain any perspective but your own. So common.

Intrusive R

To an objective observer, the intrusive r is very prevalent in RP. It involves the "insertion of an r-sound at the end of a word ending in a non-high vowel where the next word begins with a vowel.

http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/RPEnglish.html

In Britain, the non-rhotic accent gives rise to linking "r"s, where an otherwise unpronounced "r", in "clear", is pronounced if followed by a vowel, "clear away". An intrusive "r" is an "r' added in such a situation where noneactually exists, so "law and order" becomes "law ran order". In some cases, there is even hypercorrection, such as adding an "r" (Louisa ® Louiser), especially when a non-rhotic person moves to a rhotic area. But if Clair hears the "r" she'll correct you.

http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/chapters/pronunciation.php

Further, it is usually acceptable to use an optional linking R between words to pronounce expressions such as "law and order" to sound like /lɔ:ɹəndɔ:də(ɹ)/. The final r here depends on what follows.

http://www.answers.com/topic/received-pronunciation

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Sep 18, 2005, 18:58
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Sep 18, 2005, 18:58
 
I don't represent that Wikipedia is an authoritative source on all subjects, it's merely usually the top result for any internet search. In this case it also happens to confirm something I had known independently through another source.

Finally, you misunderstand: what I'm talking about is the final r (the 'rhotic') on the word 'idea'. It is added at the end of such words when the next word will also be a vowel or some set of vowels. This is called 'intrusive r' and is present in many British dialects, including RP. This is what I said, in support of the original poster. My example 'dramar' and 'idear' are meant to phoneticize in an AMERICAN way the British pronunciation.

'Dramar' or 'drama-er', 'idear' or 'idee-er', no matter how the write it the concept is the same.

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Sep 18, 2005, 18:33
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Sep 18, 2005, 18:33
 
Simply because you're ignorant of something doesn't make that idea go away, Tango.
I have lived in England all my life, North, South, East and West so I'm hardly ignorant thanks. I am simply stating have never heard anyone, from any part of the country, in real life or on television or radio say "idear." I'm sure there are some dialects where they do, but it's not common.

"Idee-uh" or "Idee-er"is the common pronounciation in Britain.

While I generally respect it as a source, you should bear in mind that just because it says so on Wikipedia doesn't make it so.


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Sep 18, 2005, 15:09
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Sep 18, 2005, 15:09
 
Thank you for putting me so firmly in my place... nearly 1/2 a day after

Oh, gee, I'm sorry to have left you for a whole 12 hours on your own. I do apologize.

Jerk. I'm not trying to "talk above a level" I'm comfortable with.. I'm quite comfortable 'talking' at this 'level', thank you very much.

Your entire point trying to criticize the original poster and your demand that everyone should 'write as if the acronym would be fully read out' was the exact anally retentive grammar tightass style you're trying to accuse me of enforcing. I never told other people to 'properly construct their sentences', dumbshit.

I specifically said that this is an informal level of writing, so I have no problem making a typo. You're the one trying to hold me to your self-proclaimed 'high standard', which in the end was merely ignorance, wasn't it?

All this bluster just to cover your embarassment at having stuck your foot in your big mouth.


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Sep 18, 2005, 14:53
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Sep 18, 2005, 14:53
 
All of you: Get a god damn life, please.

Communication is all that is important in casual internet conversation. Some people are better than others with "proper" english. If you are getting on the internet, particularly a board like this one, and expecting people to use college level english, you are in-fucking-sane.

There are plenty of places online where we can ridicule the hacking of the english language. Chat, forums, casual emails, are not on the list.
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Sep 18, 2005, 14:47
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Sep 18, 2005, 14:47
 
Simply because you're ignorant of something doesn't make that idea go away, Tango.

Actually other sources support what I said, including for example the current wikipedia article on dialect differences between American and British English:

"This phenomenon also partially accounts for the intrusion of /r/ between a word ending in a vowel and one beginning with a vowel (such as "the idear of it") exhibited both in some dialects of Britain and in the Boston accent of American English. Most other American dialects interpose a glottal stop where "r" appears in the Boston example, and appears to perform the same function of separating adjacent (non-diphthongized) vowels."

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Sep 18, 2005, 14:06
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Sep 18, 2005, 14:06
 
They only do it when the word after the 'ah' word begins with another vowel. For example, "I like drama and comedy" will be pronounced like, "I like dramar and comedy."
Again, what a load of rubbish.

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Sep 18, 2005, 13:34
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Sep 18, 2005, 13:34
 
ok human - that makes more sense, because it doesnt always happen.. but its definately noticeable to me as a filthy american

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Sep 18, 2005, 12:33
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Sep 18, 2005, 12:33
 
It doesn't matter that we're not 'pronouncing' everything on here, MeatFarts (if that is your real name.) The level of informality we're using and the nature of the board indicates that this is a conversational type of dialogue. How else would you explain even your OWN post starting with 'Ah yes!' That's a casual and conversational exclamation if I ever heard one, used only in conversations. This is not even looking at your own puncutation mistakes.

So your own argument about 'responsibility of the author to construct proper sentences' is bunk, because you yourself are writing much closer to a conversational level of informality than any kind of other documentation, like technical English, etc.

I recommend you stay away from trying to analyze sociological or pragmatic linguistics when you obviously trying to talk above a level you're comfortable with, because you're making basically no sense.


Wow, human.. You're really on the ball here yourself.

Thank you for putting me so firmly in my place... nearly 1/2 a day after I had not only explained that I'm well aware we are not bound by the conventions of formally written English around here (perhaps it was my usage of such impenetrably colloquial French that threw you off %)), BUT HAD ALREADY DISCOVERED FOR MYSELF THAT I WAS WRONG IN MY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE USAGE OF THE DEFINITE ARTICLE UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.


Jerk. I'm not trying to "talk above a level" I'm comfortable with.. I'm quite comfortable 'talking' at this 'level', thank you very much. I AM a terrible writer though, make no mistake about that. Knowing this, I really do TRY to understand how it's done as best I can. Hence my inability to give up on this until the Jedi's excellent explanation backed up by The CMS set me straight.


This is not even looking at your own puncutation mistakes.

Good. I will not look at yours either in that case. Shit, I'll even ignore the typo.


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Sep 18, 2005, 09:37
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Sep 18, 2005, 09:37
 
less -ar and more -uh if you ask me, just from saying it out loud a few times.

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Sep 18, 2005, 08:52
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Sep 18, 2005, 08:52
 
They only do it when the word after the 'ah' word begins with another vowel. For example, "I like drama and comedy" will be pronounced like, "I like dramar and comedy."

It's to space out the two consecutive vowels and keep them distinct. In American english we end up saying something like "I like dramund comedy" and slur the two vowels together.

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Sep 18, 2005, 08:35
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Sep 18, 2005, 08:35
 
something I have found to be odd (and also heard before on BBC news) is the way english people can add an "R" sound to the end of a word that ends in an "AH" sound.... so that "mama" sounds more like "mamar" ... is this real or am i crazy?

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Sep 18, 2005, 07:41
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Sep 18, 2005, 07:41
 
British people don't generally pronounce the h in hospital? you'd have to have a pretty thick accent for that to be the case (it's certainly not BBC or standard), and I'd just like to point out the h in herb or that the o in hospital is not an 'aw'

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It doesn't matter that we're not 'pronouncing' everything on here, MeatFarts (if that is your real name.) The level of informality we're using and the nature of the board indicates that this is a conversational type of dialogue. How else would you explain even your OWN post starting with 'Ah yes!' That's a casual and conversational exclamation if I ever heard one, used only in conversations. This is not even looking at your own puncutation mistakes.

So your own argument about 'responsibility of the author to construct proper sentences' is bunk, because you yourself are writing much closer to a conversational level of informality than any kind of other documentation, like technical English, etc.

I recommend you stay away from trying to analyze sociological or pragmatic linguistics when you obviously trying to talk above a level you're comfortable with, because you're making basically no sense.


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Sep 18, 2005, 04:06
 
For instance, people say "an STD", not "a STD". Or I do, anyways. I mean, my friend does.

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Somehow I felt right at home in this discussion. Probably one of the best ones we've had here on blues for a while. I was wondering this kind of stuff just the other day as I was preparing a presentation with lots of acronyms/abbreviations, such as RESPA, HMDA, BSA, etc.

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You two need to game more.....

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Strictly speaking, it's neither; it's actually an initialism. Acronyms are pronounceable, like NASA and laser.

Hey cool -- I didn't know that!

If the author wanted to write out "Massively multiplayer online game," he would, and he'd use "a" to precede it.

Ok, bear with me here, as I'm not trying to be a brat -- "just makin' convo", as they say in France.

I was under the impression that in formally written English (and to be clear, I know I'm making a deal over nothing since this is a family site, and not the Journal of Medical Science), the convention is to spell out any acronyms (or initialisms!) completely before one begins to make extensive use of them.. so they'd first write out "it's a massively multiplayer online game (MMOG)."

Now, are you saying that since MMOG is an initialism, it would be correct for the author to then begin writing "it's an MMOG" everywhere else?

must.. get.. to.. bottom.. of this



EDIT: Nevermind! LMAO! I had the freakin' Chicago Manual of Style sitting right behind me on the table (GF's a journalist), and they certainly agree with you, so that's more than good enough for me


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Sep 17, 2005, 20:25
 
You mean "acronym", not "abbreviation".

Strictly speaking, it's neither; it's actually an initialism. Acronyms are pronounceable, like NASA and laser.

Acronyms: http://www.bartleby.com/68/8/108.html
Initialism: http://www.bartleby.com/68/88/3288.html

MeatFarts, the use of "a" or "an" is totally dependent on pronunciation, not spelling. MMOG is an initialism that's pronounced "Em em oh gee," so "an" is the correct definite article. If the author wanted to write out "Massively multiplayer online game," he would, and he'd use "a" to precede it.


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Sep 17, 2005, 19:23
 
Ah yes!

But we aren't pronouncing anything here -- it's all written word, and in written English, MMOG is still an acronym which stands there in place of Massively Multiplayer Online Game.

Regardless of how common it might be to pronounce the collection of letters as "an em-em-oh-gee" in order to avoid taking the time to speak each individual word, it does not change the meaning of those letters - which remains "a massively multiplayer online game".

Without knowing before hand that I'm not going to come along and read each letter as an individual word, the author really has no choice but to properly construct the sentence according to the full meaning of the acronym.

In spoken English you can get away with all sorts of things people won't take the time to notice, and it would be correct to precede an "em" sound with the word "an".. however it would also be incorrect to proceed a "muh" sound (as in 'massively') by the word 'an' (I couldn't even manage it in that sentence for example).

And since we're dealing in written comm's here, I still maintain that since you can't know how people are going to come along and decide to read your acronym, you are obligated to construct the sentence as if you had written it out completely in the first place..




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