SWAT 4 Expansion Revealed

10-David has some details about plans for a SWAT 4 expansion from a post to the VUG forums based on an article in Computer Gaming World magazine, saying they've been able to unofficially confirm the unannounced project though their insider contacts. Word is the add-on is in the works at Irrational Games Australia (even though SWAT 4 was created by Irrational Boston) and a release is expected in February 2006. They have some details from the print article on the add-on, including new weapons like sniper rifles and grenade launchers, as well as glow sticks for throwing simulated raves.
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Wow, SWAT gets an expansion, and Tribes:V doesn't even get a final patch...nice!

Didn't think SWAT sold that well, either...

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Aug 31, 2005, 10:36
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Bastards!

I can only hope that one day Tribes3 is made... You know, Tribes2 with better graphics, more vehicles, and mechs. Jetpacks, spinfusers, and giant robots for everyone!

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Aug 31, 2005, 11:40
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Aug 31, 2005, 11:40
 
Fuck VUG and fuck IR. Remember what they did to Tribes Vengeance! Never forget Tribes Vengeance!

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Aug 31, 2005, 11:48
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Aug 31, 2005, 11:48
 
Wow, SWAT gets an expansion, and Tribes:V doesn't even get a final patch...nice!
LOL! For once we agree, Nin. I was going to post something along the same lines when I read that news item.

I guess the only consolation for Tribes Vengeance owners is that at least our game doesn't have ad spyware in it like Swat 4.


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Aug 31, 2005, 11:52
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Aug 31, 2005, 11:52
 
Dont blame VUG for the game falling flat on its face, blame your-selves and anyone else that didnt buy the game to warrent it being patched. NO game developer will spend money on a sinking ship and that ship sank long ago.

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Aug 31, 2005, 11:59
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Aug 31, 2005, 11:59
 
I did buy the game... I know nin bought it as well.

Fact of the matter is that I DO blame VUG and IG for not listening to the Tribes community. They could have made a killer game...

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Aug 31, 2005, 12:04
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Didn't think SWAT sold that well, either...

SWAT 4's actually sold quite well. Vu recently commented on that when they reported earnings. I loved this game and I'm definitely looking forward to the expansion.

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Aug 31, 2005, 12:04
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Dont blame VUG for the game falling flat on its face, blame your-selves and anyone else that didnt buy the game to warrent it being patched. NO game developer will spend money on a sinking ship and that ship sank long ago.


Um, I bought it, as did others here. I heard it sold 30K copies...that's not great at all, but I doubt anyone lost their shirt over it.






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Aug 31, 2005, 12:06
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Aug 31, 2005, 12:06
 
Fuck VUG and fuck IR. Remember what they did to Tribes Vengeance! Never forget Tribes Vengeance!

I love you people who think that Irrational Games had any say whatsoever in the fact that Tribes Vengeance didn't get patched. It is VU's property and THEY are the ones who decided not to release a patch. If Irrational released a patch of their own accord without VU's permission, they'd be in breach of contract and VU could sue them. The fact is that VU cut the patch off because the game wasn't selling well (and I don't count that as an excuse, you release something, you support it no matter what.) Not only did Irrational not have permission to write a patch, but if you were a developer working on a project for another company and they said they wouldn't fund you to develop the patch, would you? No you wouldn't because most game developers never have enough money in reserve to do anythinb but get to the end of their current project. Do your research and blame who is really to blame, VU.

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Aug 31, 2005, 12:25
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is that so many people BOUGHT Tribes Vengeance to begin with? Do you REALLY need to be kicked in the balls over and over and over again before you'll realise that the publisher doesn't give a shit and will gladly release beta code?

I guess so.

As for Swat 4, meh, never did manage to get into the swat series as much as I did Rainbow Six. At least in Rainbow Six I can just pop a guy as soon as he surrenders, whereas in Swat you then have to be all gentle and nice to him. Fuck that, have some more lead.

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Aug 31, 2005, 12:28
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Do your research and blame who is really to blame, VU.

Agreed, EA and VU are along the same lines in my book. They are eeeeevil!

I played the demo for SWAT 4, didnt like it all, I liked SWAT 3 a lot better. Not sure why, the graphics are obviously much better, but something didnt feel quite right. *shrug*

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30k in sales? That’s it? I don’t know what you all think it takes to make a game but I can tell you it takes a hell of a lot more then 1.5 Million to make a game, to advertise it and the development time and cost. VUG lost money on the game and that’s not good business practice. They are not in the business to loose money on games and that’s why the game lost its support. So get over it!

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Aug 31, 2005, 12:54
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I am sorry, but the mean side of me can only laugh at tribes. Tribes? Nasty, nasty glide-itis. Tribes 2? Bought it at launch, was completely burned, gave it away. Any further game? I will not touch it with a ten foot pole...

As for sales, I do not think that T:V was a huge success. I doubt either is huge, but I know the tactical/simulation/cop market is larger than the Tribes market is. Further, there is a really extreme side to the Tribes fans, further splitting up the potential fanbase.

I went to CompUSA yesterday and both games were discounted; Swat 4 was going for $20 and Tribes: Vengeance was $10.

As for the expansion, give it a cheap price and, dear lord, make the AI consistent. I might give it a look then...maybe. Personally, I think that S4 is pretty good, it could definitely be great with some extra time and tweaking, and that the on-again, off-again AI can really hurt it. Nothing like seeing a guy with a gun, shooting it out of his hand, having your stupid teammates finally get unstuck on the geometry, but still being in aggressive mode, coming around the corner and taking out your now-cowering suspect. Nice.
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I wonder if it will come with free advertising and patches with pop-ups? Seems they made so much money they can squeeze a few more dollars out of this sucker...

More about VUG fucking up this game here: http://nationalcheeseemporium.org/

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I am not upset because they chose not to support the T:V. I'm ticked because of the bad design decisions which were made by IG and VUG.

The game would have sold better if they had listened to the community and simply built upon the franchise. Instead they dumbed the game down, used a crappy engine, and focused on single player all of which helped lead to the death of the game.

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Aug 31, 2005, 13:31
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Don’t be blaming IG for the current state of the game or crappy graphics as you put it, SWAT 4 bounced around between developers before IG brought it to the finish linen I’ve been playing this game Coop with friends since its release along with many new maps made by the community and the game isn’t all that bad. It’s a game that requires tactics and skill, and yes it’s not one of those run and gun type shooters it actually makes you take your time and think about the situation and how to win it. This game is not all that bad and the AI is pretty good. If you keep on pissing off Game Developers you will one day wake up wondering why there are no PC games left and only a dumb ass console game left to play.

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It would be cool if GarageGames made a Tribes rip-off (since they are the orginal developers anyways)... I bet they could actually get it right - and you know they would support it till the end of time too

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IG has some responsibility. How about not listening to the Tribes community? Which resulted in people in the Tribes community not buying it. When you try to please the masses you risk alienating your fanbase (Tribes community), they gambled that if they "streamlined" it, the tribes community would buy it and so would the masses. But as it turned out neither did the community buy it nor the masses. So they gambled and they lost. Had they listend to the community at least the community would have bought it, and maybe even the masses as well. That's why IG has fault in it as well.

Look at Deus Ex Invisible War. Another example of what happens when you "streamline" to please the masses, you alienate your community.

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If you keep on pissing off Game Developers you will one day wake up wondering why there are no PC games left and only a dumb ass console game left to play.

Yes yes, we've heard that rhetoric before. We should drop to our knees and be grateful to all the poor devs who work so hard to bring us our enjoyment. Whatever. Last I checked, they're getting PAID for it.
If today's devs decide they can't deal with it anymore, there will be five new ones tomorrow. Games are a business, they're not going to die out because a few hardcore gamers are bitching about shitty games on a message board somewhere.

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Look at Deus Ex Invisible War. Another example of what happens when you "streamline" to please the masses, you alienate your community.

Well, but more understandable, to be honest, since Deus Ex is a 99% single player game (a few multiplayer mods notwithstanding). But completely ignoring the Tribes community was a VERY idiot thing to do, since those were the guys still keeping the entire Tribes scene alive, and are the guys you needed to get the next one off the ground.

Having said that, I think I'd rather deal with a pack of rabid rottweilers than the "Tribes Community", because I don't think I've ever seen a more vicious pack of cockroaches together ever. (No offense to anyone who considers himself part of that community.)
I can see how a dev / publisher would think "Listen to THEM? Yeah right!"

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Don’t be blaming IG for the current state of the game or crappy graphics as you put it, SWAT 4 bounced around between developers before IG brought it to the finish linen I’ve been playing this game Coop with friends since its release along with many new maps made by the community and the game isn’t all that bad. It’s a game that requires tactics and skill, and yes it’s not one of those run and gun type shooters it actually makes you take your time and think about the situation and how to win it. This game is not all that bad and the AI is pretty good. If you keep on pissing off Game Developers you will one day wake up wondering why there are no PC games left and only a dumb ass console game left to play.

I said crappy engine not graphics, and I was referring to Tribes Vengeance not SWAT. Just to clarify, I think the graphics in T:V were nice but the Unreal engine leaves a lot to be desired in a Tribes game...
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