Starship Troopers Delay & Demo Dates

The Empire Interactive Forums (thanks Delta Outpost) now offers a UK release date for Starship Troopers and a release date for the playable demo for the bug hunt game. The new October 26 release date is now also up in place of the old September 23 date on the Empire Interactive Website (thanks Frans). Here's the brief forum post:
Release Date - 26 October 2005 (UK) will check on others.

Playable Demo. da dah dahhnn. 1 September 2005!
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Re: Cooperative
Aug 12, 2005, 16:53
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Re: Cooperative Aug 12, 2005, 16:53
Aug 12, 2005, 16:53
 
The original book (I'll admit to not having read it; my understanding is that the movie is regarded as satirising more than adapting it) had a society often compared to Nazi Germany.

You didn't read it nor did Verhoeven. The book's decent and not remotely fascist. It postulates a society that trades the right to vote for military service. That's all. If you want to vote you serve in the military. If these rules were applied to society now I'd be able to vote. I've voted once in my life but if I actually felt like I'd earned the right it would probably be a different matter. <shrug> More importantly you'd be voting for politicians who'd served in the military.

Like Bush.

Or Bush jr. Oh.

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Re: No subject
Aug 11, 2005, 19:05
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Re: No subject Aug 11, 2005, 19:05
Aug 11, 2005, 19:05
 
Noone can tell you what Starship Troopers is, you have to see it for yourself. *cue Matrix music and montage here*

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Aug 11, 2005, 16:01
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Aug 11, 2005, 16:01
 
I just want to blow shit up, really.

That, and hear the lamentation of their womenfolk.

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Re: Rewriting history
Aug 11, 2005, 14:26
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Re: Rewriting history Aug 11, 2005, 14:26
Aug 11, 2005, 14:26
 
Maybe we are the bugs, a virus of the universe and bugs are the cure. Maybe Starship troopers was a video game movie that came out before the video game. Maybe, just maybe, you want to know more?
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Re: Rewriting history
Aug 11, 2005, 13:45
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Re: Rewriting history Aug 11, 2005, 13:45
Aug 11, 2005, 13:45
 
I'm still amazed somebody thought there was anything in it worth making a game over.

Let's see... hundreds of alien bugs, heavily armed infantry troops, dropships, sieges, tactical nuclear missile launchers, massive firefights, and huge flamethrowing, plasma-shitting aliens. To name a few.

Of course, if you're talking about the "Melrose Place Troopers" side of the movie, I agree, we can do without it.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 11:03
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 11:03
Aug 11, 2005, 11:03
 
The movie was kind of a "documentary" is some respects, hence the "would yo ulike to know more" statements all over the place.

The beginning of the movie was showing how they were already well within the war and had defenses swet up for the asteroid attacks. Then we see how it started through the eyes of the main characters.

Fair point.

My interpretation always was that it was a flashback sequence inserted purely to have flashy SFX at the start so as to get people interested.

I never regarded it as a documentary per se, because I didn't think it was really structured in that way; I always thought of the proganda stuff as throwaway pish put in for effect as in RoboCop and whatnot (rather than, y'know, hiring actual proper actors rather than eye-candy).

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 10:49
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 10:49
Aug 11, 2005, 10:49
 
t's sort of left ambigious as to whether that asteroid (not a nuclear bomb) actually came from the bugs or not (oh, and it was the city of Buenos Aires in Argentina). As the intro sequence shows a defence network capable of destroying asteroids easily, it adds to the ambiguity. (bearing in mind that little propaganda bit of the intro is set quite soon after the destruction of Buenos Aires, it's unlikely to be a new defensive grid).

The movie was kind of a "documentary" is some respects, hence the "would yo ulike to know more" statements all over the place.

The beginning of the movie was showing how they were already well within the war and had defenses swet up for the asteroid attacks. Then we see how it started through the eyes of the main characters.

That's why they show a handy-cam version of the first (failed assault) in the beginning (where Reiko got stabbed in the leg) and then later you see them actually fighting it.

Then at the end, you're seeing it from the perspective of the viewer again, watcihng a glorified documentary / commercial.


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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 09:03
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 09:03
Aug 11, 2005, 09:03
 
h ok. So the people in Starship Troopers weren't fighting for the right thing? I don't know what movie you were watching but the bugs dropped a nuclear bomb on some South American country. Sure Rico also went to war to get chicks but maybe, just maybe he also joined because the bugs vaporized his parents. I suppose the right thing to do was to organize a peace march, yeah will show those giant space bugs not mess with da humans.
Now maybe if I'm on crack I could see the moral lessons between the bug war and the Vietnam war. Don't mess around in space because you'll into run bugs with hive like mind bent on destroying man kind. On yeah, thats exactly like Vienam LOL :0

It's sort of left ambigious as to whether that asteroid (not a nuclear bomb) actually came from the bugs or not (oh, and it was the city of Buenos Aires in Argentina). As the intro sequence shows a defence network capable of destroying asteroids easily, it adds to the ambiguity. (bearing in mind that little propaganda bit of the intro is set quite soon after the destruction of Buenos Aires, it's unlikely to be a new defensive grid).

The original book (I'll admit to not having read it; my understanding is that the movie is regarded as satirising more than adapting it) had a society often compared to Nazi Germany. If Verhoeven was satirising that, then it's not unlikely IMO he'd be referencing the way the Germans faked Polish attacks on their country in order to justify attacking said country.

As everyone knows, a good dictatorship likes a war to mobilise the people, and a random meteor strike is as good a pretext as possible.

It's not a brilliantly executed (in fact IMO it's a bit ham-fisted, possibly because it needed to be a popcorn movie) piece of satire, but it is there; humanity is (in the movie) essentially a facistic society which only allows breeding, writing, etc after indoctrination within a fairly brutal military service, and one which also practices a degree of eugenics (dumb kids are suitable for cannon fodder in the military, for example) and obvious rampant propaganda. (Such as demonstrating the execution of an enemy POW - a bug - on TV prior to the actual invasion of Klendathu; we also have the end segment where they're cheerfully torturing an obviously intelligent brain bug- one which is known to feel fear, pain, etc)

(If you were to take the bugs out and replace them with an.other human colony or side, then it'd become a really ambigious movie)

The common way for justifying a war is to paint the enemy as being 'bad' in some way - i.e. alien values. The bugs are simply playing the literal extension of that principle applied to another race.

EDIT; I'm not implying it's an exception piece of satire or anything, of course. It's an average movie with decent action fodder IMO; but it does have some intent to bring in more subtle satirical themes to it. It just isn't too good at handling them.

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Rewriting history
Aug 11, 2005, 09:00
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Aug 11, 2005, 09:00
 
Since when did Starship Troopers and "good movie" ever belong in the same sentence together? The movie was widely ridiculed when it came out (rightfully so) and was considered something of a failure at the box office. I'm still amazed somebody thought there was anything in it worth making a game over.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 08:45
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 08:45
Aug 11, 2005, 08:45
 
If you try hard enough, you can see in almost every movie a "message". In the same way you could say that Showgirls (also by Verhoeven) is about the exploitation of females in a male dominated showbiz industry.
And even if Verhoeven really had the intention to show the drawbacks of fascism and a society that lifts soldiers above all others, than this doesn't make the movie suddenly "good". It's still a bad movie, with incompetent actors and bad dialogue.
That said, I still found the last 2/3 of the movie entertaining


Its a brainless yet very entertaining movie I agree. But the message of Starship Troopers? There is no fucking message. Whatever message there is only exist as a mere filler to next bug killing scene. I mean you have to be harboring some incredibly extremish beliefs to somehow relate Rico's adventures as a morality tale about the short comings of American foreign policy. Thats like saying Debbie Does Dallas is about the plight of over worked teens. People who make this kind of connection aren't just over-reaching, they're dumb.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 08:30
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 08:30
Aug 11, 2005, 08:30
 
In the same way you could say that Showgirls (also by Verhoeven) is about the exploitation of females in a male dominated showbiz industry.

And the boobs. Don't forget the boobs.


I'm reading John Steakley's Armor at the minute - it's not stated anywhere but in many ways it reads like a rebuttal of Starship Troopers (the book - which I've also read and enjoyed well enough for what it was). I'm only half way so no spoilers...

Starship Troopers was written by a WW2 veteran and should be read in context. Starship Troopers the movie is just a bad movie, saved by special effects.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 06:50
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Aug 11, 2005, 06:50
 
the bugs didn't start the war... its was the human expansion that caused the problem in the first place.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 05:40
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Re: Cooperative Aug 11, 2005, 05:40
Aug 11, 2005, 05:40
 
If you try hard enough, you can see in almost every movie a "message". In the same way you could say that Showgirls (also by Verhoeven) is about the exploitation of females in a male dominated showbiz industry.
And even if Verhoeven really had the intention to show the drawbacks of fascism and a society that lifts soldiers above all others, than this doesn't make the movie suddenly "good". It's still a bad movie, with incompetent actors and bad dialogue.
That said, I still found the last 2/3 of the movie entertaining

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 05:36
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Aug 11, 2005, 05:36
 
Oh ok. So the people in Starship Troopers weren't fighting for the right thing? I don't know what movie you were watching but the bugs dropped a nuclear bomb on some South American country. Sure Rico also went to war to get chicks but maybe, just maybe he also joined because the bugs vaporized his parents. I suppose the right thing to do was to organize a peace march, yeah will show those giant space bugs not mess with da humans.
Now maybe if I'm on crack I could see the moral lessons between the bug war and the Vietnam war. Don't mess around in space because you'll into run bugs with hive like mind bent on destroying man kind. On yeah, thats exactly like Vienam LOL :0

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 04:47
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Aug 11, 2005, 04:47
 
From Wikipedia:

Paul Verhoeven's 1997 film Starship Troopers takes up the political themes by satirizing the book's attitudes mercilessly, using references from propaganda films such as Triumph of the Will and wartime news broadcasts. At its premiere in Chicago, Illinois, several viewers sarcastically referred to the film as "Head of the Class Goes to War."

It's more or less a parody of propaganda, the way it makes people believe they are fighting for the right thing. It's not the most subtle or brilliant satire or political message, but it sure is one. The book has a cleary different vision than Verhoeven had.

And before Iraq, there was Vietnam where America was messing with things which were none of their buisness - but I don't want to start a political discussion anyways. The point is that the Starship Troopers flic was more than just an action movie.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 04:39
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Aug 11, 2005, 04:39
 
WTF are you talking about, Starship Troopers crticizes American war policy? LOL. First, Starship Troopers came years before Iraq, whatever political content is burried under the terrible acting and glossy special effects. The entire movie is nothing but an excuse to shoot bugs. The book was political in many ways glorified war and sacrifice, it reads like a freaking Republican bible...however the movie is nothing like the book. Overall you gotta be total dumbass to somehow think Starship Troopers is a commentary on American foreign policy.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 04:18
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Aug 11, 2005, 04:18
 
The Starship Troopers film is good (or decent at least) because it's more than just an action flic, it's also a political movie. It criticizes the American war policy, but not much viewers in the US seemed to get that, while for Europeans, it was pretty obvious.

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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 03:44
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Aug 11, 2005, 03:44
 
Was Starship Troopers a huge hit in the UK? Everyone I know thought it was a turn-off-your-brain movie, it seems strange how much the website hypes the connection to the movie.

Probably not as big a hit as in the US, but almost everyone i know agrees that the movie is so bad that it's a classic. I watched it not a few days ago and forgot how bad (in a good way) the film was.

TBH when i looked at some screenshots of the game, it looked pretty poor (graphics wise) and even the previewer said that it could just be the same mission over and over again (protect people, kill the bugs), which is what the movie was anyway.

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Aug 11, 2005, 02:04
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Re: Cooperative
Aug 11, 2005, 00:26
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How long has this game been under development?
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