I'm sitting here waiting for a copy to finish, so I've got some time to respond. I've tried to keep this polite, but looks like you've decided to get nasty. So be it.
Oh yes, the old "he started it!" argument. Worked well for you in school, did it? Where I come from, calling someone a racist is not generally deemed to be polite. Different in Berkeley much?
"Hey racist, how are you?"
"Yeah man I'm doing great!"
must be an often heard conversation in your hallways huh?
I find it funny that you're so politically correct as to nearly burst at the seams with it, but you have no objection to literally STREWING the word racist around ever chance you get.
Now, here's the thing. Pay close attention.I really don't give a flying fuck if you think I'm a racist or not
Really, I don't. I have many many many more important things in life to be worried about than whether or not some uber liberal mongrel like yourself (oh wait, is that being racist, no I guess it isn't) considers me a racist or not.
Now, stop crying about things becoming harsh when YOU are the one who started calling people racist. You use the term "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" a few times, I suggest you follow your own advice. Or get roasted. It's your choice.
But stop your idiot whining about people being all mean to you.
I'll proceed to school you on actual literary comprehension from now on. It may get a little more nasty.Almost pathetic that you can't see that lumping all Muslims together into "countrymen" is racist
Attention dipshit. Here is the EXACT sentence that I first posted Same for the middle easterners. Accept that some of your fellow countrymen are idiots, and put up with the 2 minute search
Where am I using the word Muslim? Well? YOU interspersed the word Muslim into the argument. Hey, guess what, there's that little Straw Man argument you've been bringing up. Do you even know what the fucking words mean?
Now, I'm sorry that for your apparently not so educated self I didn't correctly spell out all the countries. My sentence really should have read "Same for all the people from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc etc etc etc"
I'll spare you the whole lengthy sentence. Countries whose citizens have attacked us at one point or another through terrorism.
So I lumped it together as "middle easterners" in an effort to save myself some time.
I never said Muslims in that sentence. YOU said that. Feel like a retard now?How about the dozen other Middle Eastern countries who have never had a "countryman" attack the U.S.?
Here's a nice point of view for you. Currently, there are...27, 28? countries whose citizens are allowed into the US without a VISA. They can get in on a visa waiver program. Takes you about 2 minutes to get through passport control. Every other country needs a Visa, and it will take those citizens longer to get through passport control. And then there is a list of countries who are considered "suspect" / "Dangerous", whatever word you want to use. Those people get fingerprinted, photographed and whatever have you when they try to enter the US.
This is already going on, and you're fine with that? But when we want to implement similar security features on subways, all of a sudden it becomes an issue?
Now, the big problem is, on a subway you don't have your passport with you, so the issue of identifying people from those specific countries becomes more difficult. And then, yes, visual profiling becomes a method. Because, like it or not, people from middle eastern descent (which is where many of the "dangerous" countries are from, and so it becomes a catch-all), DO have a distinctive set of features that a trained operative can pick out easily. For that matter, so do Americans. That pretty-boy from Iowa look is very distinct to American features, and for example, it's very rare in Holland.
I can probably pick a dutchman / woman out of a crowd without too many problems. Because people simply HAVE these differing features.
Do I agree with that innocent people get searched at the subway? No, not really, but if we had a fullproof way to ONLY search the guilty / bad guys, well, I guess terrorism wouldn't be an issue, now would it?
So yes, sadly, and I do mean sadly, people who have been living in the US and are from middle eastern stock, will get searched under such a program. It is a simple fact in this world that the good suffer under the bad, or however the saying goes.
But hey, where is your sympathy for that 75 year old grandmother who needs to open her bag? Nah, that's not really a worthy cause to champion in your fight for freedom, now is it?
But, like I said, that sort of visual profiling becomes noticeable, and someone from middle eastern stock can get a razor, some gel, and some make-up, and hide his DISTINCTIVE FEATURES pretty well so that only really well trained operatives can pick them out of a busy moving crowd.
Whatever.Should we also be able to search all white males at will
Ehm yeah, that's why I said "We need random searches AND racial profiling". I never said anywhere that white males should be excluded. So why are you bringing this up? Who knows. Because not all terrorists look middle eastern. Not all terrorists ARE middle eastern. And even if they WERE, they would soon figure out we were screening them that way, and they would recruit / coerce from different groups to get through the screening. Which is why I said we need random checks AND racial profiling.
And the only reason we need racial profiling is because right now, 50 terrorists could get on a train together, and be GUARANTEED that not everyone of them would get searched. Why? Because if they are, they'll shout racial profiling, and demand a lawyer, and off they'd go.
Which is exactly what I said in my original post.
YOU are the one who's been turning this shit around all in an effort to show what a fine upstanding citizen you are. Well, and because you just really LOVE calling people racist even though "You don't use the term lightly".
Well, guess what Einstein. Calling someone racist on crap you partially made up yourself in an effort to make your own argument look better (Whoohoo, straw man again) without ever attempting to look at the meaning behind it, or even engage in dialogue BEFORE blasting the racist bit, sure makes it seem as if you are TERRIBLY FUCKING FOND of using the word. But keep sitting in that little ivory tower of yours, spouting your bullshit rhetoric on how you're fighting to save the world.
But then again, I really don't give a fuck about you or what you think. I'm just passing the time at work.
You should try to stop looking at everything said all literally, and perhaps try to use a small part of your miniscule brain power to sense the idea behind what someone is saying.
But then again, it's much easier to just shout RACIST at every opportunity, isn't it? And not only are all Middle Easterners "countrymen" according to you, apparently they're all from Saudi Arabia.
It was an EXAMPLE, dipshit. To paraphrase EA here, "Reasonable people" would have understood that. See? Enahs understood it. I'm pretty sure most people understood it. Except you.It's pitiful how you don't recognize how racist it is to say "if they don't like it here then they can go back to where they came from." Does that include the millions of Muslim Americans, too?
Kick that straw man, Bodolza! Kick it! Kick it hard!
I didn't start using the word Muslims until the comparison between Christians and Muslims started to come up. I suppose that at the end of post 73, I did get the two mixed up, my bad.That's not considered being a racist - that's just being an asshole. It's only racial if you say go back to Africa/Saudi Arabia/China.
Oh right. That's the new definition then, right?
Ofcourse, had I said, all middle easterners who don't like it, go back to the middle east, then it would still have been racist, right?
Here's another one. Any European in the US who doesn't like living here, should go back to Europe. Racism too?
Come on, you know you want to say it. Bang that drum again! RACISM RACISM RACISM.
*yawn* choose to stay here to fight for my country. To keep people from trying to throw away the liberties and freedoms our ancestors fought and died for, even if it's only in my small way.
Oh yeah, you're fighting the good fight here Bodolza. You're making America safe from racists on a gaming website! Make sure to proudly display your badge of patriotism. What the fuck ever. Go stage a protest in NYC, and we'll talk about how you're fighting for liberty, armchair quarterback.How is your military experience going? Or are you just another hypocrite?
I didn't serve in the US army, no, but that's because I'm not allowed to (only citizens can, and I believe only people who were actually BORN in the US can, not sure about that).
I did, however, got drafted and "served" in the Dutch military, yeah. Didn't amount to much, but there you go. Then again, I'm not the one banging my drum to show how I'm FIGHTING for my freedom! You are. So how about you hero? Oh wait, your feelings about the military become quite clear in your next sentence.For now, the army isn't about defending America anyways -- it's about supporting the agenda of the military-industrial complex.
Yeah, tell that to the coast guard, the national guard, the airforce who flies CAP, the navy that patrols our borders and such. Moron. Btw, be sure to quickly ignore this point, and keep yapping about what a freedom fighter you are.You have no idea where I work, what I do, and how much I make. That's not being politically correct - that's just being a jerk-off.
Boohoo, Creston made fun of me. Whaahaaa. Btw, I assume you mentioned Berkeley because you figure that all of us would immediately go "Holy shit! Berkeley! Bodolza is TEH WINNER!!!!", huh?
Or maybe I assumed that wrong? And you just made an offhand remark? Easy to see how someone can ASSUME something wrong, right? But then again, YOU ofcourse never assume something wrong.So you believe he literally thinks that the US started the Crusades over 700 years ago - 500 years before the US existed? So Osama believes in time travel? Wow, he really is way out there
What, you think he is a sane logical human being or something? HE FUCKING SAID THIS HIMSELF. End of story.I stand corrected - many people bash religious extremists - including you.
Hey, you just committed religism! Because, without knowing the facts of WHEN these terms were used, you immediately assumed that they must be religious extremists? Awesome stuff, thanks for coming over on the other side of the fence!
In fact, some of our fellow forumites here use these terms to indicate ANY Christian whatsoever. In fact, according to them, everyone in Tulsa who's a Christian is automatically a Jesus Freak. Funny, when I go to church, I see no extremists. Just friendly, kind people.
See how easy it is to shout RACIST / RELIGIST? You just became one. Make sure to atone for your sins.When I see a post saying that someone should not be allowed to practice their religion freely without disrupting the same rights of others, I will stand up and say something. I've never seen that post. Have you?
Factual error, you're full of shit. Because I've yet to see you post in any such threads. And there are PLENTY of them to go around here on Bluesnews. In fact, about one out of every ten OOTBs will turn into one of those. And in fact, Warhawk linked a few for you.
Some snippets from your reply to Enahs :He was clearly using the word “idiot” not to refer by there IQ, or adept ability to plan mass destruction, but calling them “idiot” based off choices they choose to make, based on his beliefs
It wasn't clear to me. "Even an idiot terrorist will recognize the value of a razor and make-up" sure sounds like he thinks that they're idiots IQ wise.
Well, then you're not really as smart as you think you are Mr Berkeley, if that wasn't clear. Again, it's that whole literal thinking you're used to doing. You probably don't do well in any theoretical field, do you?
When I call a terrorist an idiot, I do so not because I think he's mentally challenged, or has a low IQ (although I'm sure that some of them aren't the brightest bunch in the world.)
I call them an idiot because they claim to fanatically adhere to a belief, and in the name of that belief, they blow up busses full of children.
I'm a Christian, and I believe that I'm saved through Jesus Christ. Whether or not anyone else believes that is irrelevant. That's what I believe. I believe that, because I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, and that He tells us that the way to salvation and to heaven, is through his son.
A terrorist believes the Koran, and he believes that if he kills himself, and while doing so, kills many of the perceived enemies of his belief, he will go to heaven, and get a thousand virgins (that last bit may just be propaganda, so don't quote me on it.)
Funny enough, THAT'S NOT IN THE KORAN.
That's why a terrorist is an idiot. Not to mention that ANYONE who thinks that killing people because God told them to is good, is an IDIOT. Ted Bundy (was he the one who heard the voice of God?) Well, whatever, the serial killer(s) who did so because God told them to, are ALL idiots. And I'm sure they were pretty intelligent men, since they evaded the cops for a long time. They're still idiots.
Most of the regulars here will probably vouch for what I've stated about my beliefs, and about what I said here, in fact Enahs already did (thanks bud.)
So YOU misinterpreted it, and without verifying it, you called someone a racist. Then you get all upset when someone "gets nasty".
Cry me a fucking river, mongrel.
Edit : Holy shit, that got WAY too long. Sorry Blue This comment was edited on Aug 2, 12:39.