I want to teach my kids that violence is not the answer... EVER.
Good point. We never should have stopped Hitler with violent war that cost something like half a million American lives. And thats not even counting the untold numbers of enemy and civilian lives. We should have let him conquer Russia and finish taking over Europe.
I'm sorry but extreme pacifism (non violence) is not the answer. Sometimes you MUST use violence. Justified cases in clude: Defending yourself. (If someone breaks into your home, do you let them rape your wife and kids and then kill you all afterwards?) Defending your country and way of life (this sometimes includes invading other countries like World War II, and sometimes includes defense against invasions). How about cops? They use violence all the time to stop even more violent criminals. Thats justified in many cases as well. Sure, non violent/non lethal works great in a lot of cases, but sometimes you just need to send in the SWAT team.
Basically you look at the possible end results, and decide if violence is justified. And no, I dont mean the ends justify the means. I'm not talking torturing people or napalm bombing in the middle of populated cities just to kill civilians. The end results of Hitler ruling the world are too horrible to contemplate. Far more violence would have resulted from that then stopping him.
The end results of letting criminals roam free would be huge increases in crime.
The point you guys are arguing, is about the end results of using physical displine to disipline a child. Me, I think that if you do it in a loving manner, always use a belt, only on the bottom, explain why, etc, it is very effective (i.e. a spanking that is properly administered). And associating pain with certain actions that a child may do is effective at a young age. Some people think that you can just explain things to a kid, send him to his room (where he can play his PS2 GTA SA) and that will be enough. Well it also depends on the kid. Some kids are very strong willed and need strong discipline measures. Some are very meek and only need someone to ask them to stop to comply. Everyone is differant.
The problems come where people go to extreme measures of either end. You are on the extreme end of no violence for any reason (from what you've been saying in your comments). Others who abuse thier children physically by slapping them around or hitting them, or breaking arms, they are on the extreme violent end. I agree, that kinda stuff should stop and they should be arrested for child abuse if they do those extreme things. I've done some volunteer work at a foster family agency. Its so freaking horrible and sad at how many times 1 and 2 year olds get thrown against walls and arms and legs broken and then left on the street. Of course the parents doing that are usually the weird ones who can't stand a kid crying or some such, at that young age you should not be doing any physical disipline at all.
Most people however are in the middle of the spectrum. Just like how most people are somewhere in the middle politically. Just the normal bell curve stuff.This comment was edited on Jul 26, 20:16.