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I can't resist |
May 31, 2005, 09:45 |
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"as we will double our effort"
(Ominous Voice) : I hope so, CEO, for your sake. EA is not as ... forgiving, as I am.
Btw, in what world does double effort = double value? Is that like a guarantee or something? A law of physics?
And ehm, what creativity is he talking about here? Ubi does nothing but release sequel upon sequel upon sequel. That these are good or even great games, sure, but I wouldn't necessarily call it creative.
Creston
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 31, 2005, 08:02 |
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I hardly agree with you on several points. Sierra/Dynamix/Vivendi went to hell cause of problems Vivendi was having and was trying to sell off the gaming portion of it's company. The problem was noone wanted Sierra/Dynamix, they wanted Blizzard out of it, which Vivendi either wanted way too much money for or wouldn't sell.
And there are quite a few 'large masses' of gamers who want these games and want them for the PC, the problem comes down to money. Ubisoft doesn't want to invest the money to produce these products on the PC where a) it's expensive to do QA for all the system specs out there, and b) piracy, and c) shelf life and money to made on the shelf life is alot more for console products then pc software. And I'm sure there is some sort of money they also get for rentals and the game being resold.
And Ubisoft didn't take a ton of risk's with Crytek. They saw what the rest of us saw a few years ago with their dinosaur demo (x-demo I think it is) And now Far Cry is coming out on consoles and more then likely stay there. Splinter Cell started out on the PC, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon did as well and look what's happening to them?
No information about the PC version of Rainbow Six 4 for the PC even with E3 just gone by, Ghost Recon was canned, and the majority of the titles Ubisoft has planned are console games first, PC Games if they feel like it.
And Rayman isn't really a good example, considering it was and is first and foremost a CONSOLE TITLE.
At this point in time Ubisoft really should just come straight out and say 'Guess what folks, we are going to a console only market' and so the people who use to enjoy good SOLID franchises on the PC can better spend our time not looking through their forums trying to find out information about games that have been canceled.
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Re: No subject |
May 31, 2005, 02:33 |
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 31, 2005, 01:10 |
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Don't blame the players, they're playing by the rules. Blame the game, namely capitalism, that they're all playing. In Capitalism, it's okay to screw everyone except the government, so long as you can justify it with profit.
Not entirely accurate, when it gets out of hand the antitrust laws kick in (that point it always a mystery). These laws are clearly “anti-capitalist” but they serve to keep capitalism from cannibalizing itself, which it will do if left unchecked. So, the players are playing by the rules, but only until the referee says they're not.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 31, 2005, 00:05 |
Sty |
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In Mother Russia, game plays you.
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| You know selling dlc before you patch the client doesn't impress upon me the need to support your shit. -massdev |
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 23:09 |
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Gone are the good pubs like Microprose, the old Sierra/Dynamix, SSI, Origin/Jane's, and the old Lucasarts. They knew how to make good games on smaller budgets, then they were lured into the console-dev/pub world of million-unit-selling titles.
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Either those companies went out of business or they were about to and they decided to change their business model to save their britches. Unfortunately the games that most people in this thread seem to want aren't wanted by large masses of gamers, so it's tough to make a succesful company based on them. There is a niche there to fill though, and Ubi is one of the few publishers even trying to fill that niche these days. So those of you here should try and encourage them a bit as opposed to bash them (which most of you seem to be doing, despite liking the niche that they are attempting to support)
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Almost all sims are made in Eastern Europe now! The devs in the US and UK are making console games or have left the biz.
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I've been working in the industry for over four years in a game acquistion role, and I can tell you first hand that most european developers/publishers don't have the slightest clue on how to make a game that will be succesful here in North America. Some come close and develop games that will be modest successes (Il-2 for example) and due to the cheaper labor in certain parts of europe it will make a publisher some money here in North America.
Ubi Soft is also a publisher that took a huge amount of risk paying Crytek to develop Far Cry. Crytek was a studio that had no games under it's belt, had never proven it could complete a game, yet Ubi went to bat for them and wrote them checks and fully supported Crytek because they recognized that they had something different that might just work out.
Though Ubi's lineup can sometimes be questioned (what exactly is Rayman anyway?) you can't question that they bring a diverse line-up to the table and they create some solid games (and they continue to support the niche strategy market as well).
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 21:05 |
sir |
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Sh3 was good, we'll see if there's an SH4 or anything.
Silent Hunter 4 has already been announced. Well, perhaps not officially, but I recall seeing something stating that wok was already underway on it in an Ubisoft press release.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 19:19 |
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That's Right |
May 30, 2005, 18:08 |
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As a general rule industry consolidation is not good for the consumer. Industry consolidation is when companies buy up their competitors and own them. So there are fewer players competing for your money. That's bad for the consumer, ie the gamer.
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No subject |
May 30, 2005, 18:02 |
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anything to keep EA from getting anymore control in this industry is a good thing IMO.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 17:13 |
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Except they dropped Lock On. Pac Fighters was just an addon to Il-2 that grew too big for its britches and became a semi-sequel.
The upcoming Battle of Britain is the ONLY sim they have on their books now. Sh3 was good, we'll see if there's an SH4 or anything. I mean, I've yet to see SH3 at EB! It's at Walmart and Best Buy, though.
There's no doubt that both R6 and GR have been consolized to death--they are no longer going to be what made them famous on the PC, and later the consoles. They will instead be made-for-console crap.
EA has now removed coop and by extension any sort of decent SP from BF2...it will be like Joint Ops instead with SP only being "training."
I don't want EA to win, but I don't want Ubi to survive as is either. EA is typical "we're the top dog" crap and Ubi is "we'll fight to be top dog by doing the SAME crap as the top dog."
Gone are the good pubs like Microprose, the old Sierra/Dynamix, SSI, Origin/Jane's, and the old Lucasarts. They knew how to make good games on smaller budgets, then they were lured into the console-dev/pub world of million-unit-selling titles.
Almost all sims are made in Eastern Europe now! The devs in the US and UK are making console games or have left the biz.
The Jedi Master
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 16:55 |
SquirrelZero |
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Stop pissing in our pools, EA 
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 16:06 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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What other publisher out there has released a sim in the last few years? Ubi developed one in house (SH3).
This is something I'll always give Ubisoft credit for. They also published Lock-On, Pacific Fighters and IL-2 Sturmovik. Yes, those games had their problems, but they were combat simulators and you don't see any other company putting those out. I agree with what some people are saying about how Ubisoft would gladly be the next EA if they could do it, but the fact is that competition benefits consumers. If EA takes over the world, expect prices to rise and quality and innovation to drop even lower (and I am quite sure we can go a lot lower yet.) The more companies there are vying for the casual gamer's dollar, the better.
Parallax Abstraction
Founder of StateOfGaming.org - Coming Soon
Commentary & Discussion About the Video Game Industry and Its Future |
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 16:03 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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by the way how do you pronounce "ubi"? is U-B or U-BI?
You say it like "ooobee"
Parallax Abstraction
Founder of StateOfGaming.org - Coming Soon
Commentary & Discussion About the Video Game Industry and Its Future |
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 15:39 |
4D-Boxing |
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The Half Elf,
You're 100% correct! I was going to post the same thing.
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Go Ubi |
May 30, 2005, 15:34 |
LG Orange Drink |
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Stay independent and come back around and kick EA's arse.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 15:11 |
DedEye |
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What other publisher out there has released a sim in the last few years? Ubi developed one in house (SH3).
On the topic of greed: corporations exist to make money. Don't blame the players, they're playing by the rules. Blame the game, namely capitalism, that they're all playing. In Capitalism, it's okay to screw everyone except the government, so long as you can justify it with profit.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 14:46 |
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Even if EA gets Ubi, my money invested will still go up. 
I still wouldn't like to see that happen as Ubisoft is one of the smartest game companies and EA would probably just dumb it down.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 14:45 |
famished |
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Well they published Far Cry at least. Another company developed it.
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Re: Oh puhleeeze |
May 30, 2005, 14:44 |
Tehol |
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ghost recon was simplified version of rainbow six so what to destroy it?
if you are talking about gr2 for consoles then yes it was a betrayal but as a pc gamer get used to that. life would be much easy 
by the way how do you pronounce "ubi"? is U-B or U-BI?
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