Out of the Blue

With the fantastically beautiful spring weather now upon us (thank goodness!) we finally have the fence doctor in to examine what it will take to better confine our canines, who have basically turned the wooden barricade fencing around our yard into a patchwork collection of repaired toothpicks. This is especially timely, as Gunnar the still-nicknameless puppy is probably about at puberty, at which point his motivation to break out and be a man-about-town will be that much greater. Also, Hudson the wonder dog's glacial maturation process seems to have accelerated with the presence of her little charge, and she is demonstrating an ever-greater degree of dominant behavior lately (she mounted a pretty successful challenge to the alpha dog in her group of trail friends this morning, and he is a 100+ lb Scottish Deerhound!), so we are also that much more concerned that her escaping might lead to some sort of dogfight, which nobody needs.

Meanwhile, as MrsBlue tours the grounds with the fence doctor, Hudson is whining like she's being tortured... I'm sure this is because she can't go out and make friends with him, but knowing what I do, it almost seems like she is ruing the plan to close off her escape routes.

Stories of the Day: 'Star Wars' fans wait at wrong theater. Use the Farce? Lured by the dork side?
Pope Reborn as Superhero in Comic. Thanks Devicer.
Smelly Money Lands Indiana Man in Jail.
Science!: Japan Unveils Plan for Flight to the Moon.
World's first blue rose. Thanks Miquel.
Drunk? Your Car Will '86' You. And why shouldn't all cars have these?
Images of the Day: You gotta be kidding me.
Unknown Airbus A330-2.... Thanks Jim.
Follow-ups: Fireproofing key to Twin Towers' collapse.
Congress may extend daylight-saving time. Have they been reading Out of the Blue?
Shuttle rollout under way.
Thanks Mike Martinez and Ant.
View : : :
93.
 
Re: No subject
Apr 8, 2005, 13:59
93.
Re: No subject Apr 8, 2005, 13:59
Apr 8, 2005, 13:59
 
I apologize for the multiple posts. I am seemingly not able to edit or delete previous posts, to figure out why the quoting isn't working.

Your quote: OK, let me rephrase my response: I feel that the penalties for deaths caused by DUI should be the same as for premeditated murder.

I see. Phrased that way I understand your point. However, I still feel that manslaughter is [still only] manslaughter, regardless if drinking alcohol is an easily accessible way for most people to get into a terrible situation such as that. On this point we disagree.

Your quote: Her repeated DUI behavior and killing of innocent people, to me, justifies a much harsher punishment.

I am undecided on this topic. I am trying to extrapolate her running into a crowd and killing a dozen people. Whether it is 3 or 12 people dead, her actual act (and thus crime)is the same, so my initial opinion is she should be punished according to only killing one. Now, if she were to kill the 3 boys on 3 separate occasions, that is a far worse situation and pathology. I am not defending her actions, of course (you alluded to that in a previous post) but trying to form my own opinion on how justice is best meted out to people such as her.

Your quote: That is kinda the point - to protect the public from menaces like this woman as well as punishment - isn't it?

Very true. I was thinking the point of prison is 'rehabilitation' in the most idealistic sense, 'deterrance' with a more pragmatic view. Otherwise, why would you ever let anyone out? But in fact, your interpretation is often the actual outcome (especially in the case of this woman); that it had no effect on her and she was conducting exactly the same behaviour upon release.

I do not know how to best phrase the response to your question about how I characterize which laws I feel should be in place or not. I do wear my seatbelt; I do not agree that there should be a law requiring me to do so. I do agree with driver's ed classes. Do I feel there should be a law requiring car manufacturers to install airbags on all cars? That is a good question; I am undecided. One of my friends in college got a ticket from a cop for jogging while wearing headphones. I (and he) did not feel that such a law should be in place.


Your quote: I do not "gladly pay the extra in insurance and taxes"

I didn't say you did. I said I did. My example was that some laws are passed you agree with, while others you do not agree with. In many cases some of these laws cost you money ("taxpayer's dollars") you don't want to pay. But the way to change that is to change the representatives passing the laws for you.

Interesting, your comment about asking to pay extra for someone else's behaviors. Riding motorcycles in general is an order of magnitude more likely to result in serious injury or death, over cars -- whether you are wearing a helmet or not. Honestly, I would outlaw motorcycling altogether. But to me, infringing on people's freedoms is a bigger evil, so I would never pass that law--just because I don't agree with people's decision to ride them.

Injury is a learning experience. Touch the stove, burn your hand. Children who never experience it while growing up simply won't have learned as well that they can be hurt. They are more likely to assume they are invincible, which is a common belief amongst teenagers. I was not attempting to claim that it keeps all people from drinking and driving. But it undoubtedly would affect the behavior of some.

Date
Subject
Author
1.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
2.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
3.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
5.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
16.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
4.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
6.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
9.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
10.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
    Re: Doggies
11.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: Doggies
12.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: Doggies
14.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: Doggies
15.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
      UGO helped?
17.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
      Re: Doggies
7.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
8.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
13.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
18.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
19.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
20.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
23.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
21.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
24.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
27.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
25.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
26.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
28.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
30.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: ALL cars?
32.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
      Re: ALL cars?
34.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
      Re: ALL cars?
33.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: ALL cars?
29.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
31.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: ALL cars?
35.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
      Re: ALL cars?
36.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
       Re: ALL cars?
37.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
        Re: ALL cars?
38.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
         Re: ALL cars?
39.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
          Re: ALL cars?
43.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
           Re: ALL cars?
44.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
            Re: ALL cars?
45.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
             Re: ALL cars?
47.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
              Re: ALL cars?
55.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
               Re: ALL cars?
56.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
                NewEgg popups
58.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
                Re: ALL cars?
76.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                Re: ALL cars?
77.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                 Re: ALL cars?
78.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                  Re: ALL cars?
79.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                   Re: ALL cars?
80.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                    Re: ALL cars?
84.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                     Re: ALL cars?
85.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                      Re: ALL cars?
83.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                    Re: ALL cars?
87.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                     No subject
88.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                      Re: No subject
89.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                      Re: No subject
91.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                       Re: No subject
92.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                        Re: No subject
 93.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                         Re: No subject
94.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                          Re: No subject
97.
Apr 10, 2005Apr 10 2005
                           Re: No subject
90.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
                      Re: No subject
95.
Apr 9, 2005Apr 9 2005
                     Re: ALL cars?
96.
Apr 9, 2005Apr 9 2005
                      Re: ALL cars?
60.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
               Re: ALL cars?
49.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
             Re: ALL cars?
46.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
           Re: ALL cars?
40.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
          Re: ALL cars?
42.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
           Re: ALL cars?
57.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
          Re: ALL cars?
59.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
           Re: ALL cars?
61.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
            Re: ALL cars?
66.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
             Re: ALL cars?
69.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
             Re: ALL cars?
72.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
            Re: ALL cars?
74.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
             Re: ALL cars?
75.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
              Re: ALL cars?
82.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
        Re: ALL cars?
86.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
         Re: ALL cars?
81.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
     Re: ALL cars?
48.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
52.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
22.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
50.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
51.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
53.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
62.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
   Re: Misc
63.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
    No subject
64.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Google
73.
Apr 8, 2005Apr 8 2005
      Re: Google
65.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
     Re: No subject
54.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
67.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
68.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
71.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005
70.
Apr 7, 2005Apr 7 2005