I replied to your reply; now you reply.

Let's see who can out-depress the other.

Done and done.

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I replied to your reply; now you reply.

Let's see who can out-depress the other.

Back to Blizzard, let me give the company further props.

The Kilrogg server was down over sixteen hours yesterday. Now? Today?

• AH and IF still lag

• I have had six rollbacks today

• Right now, I am stuck at "Connecting" after being booted out of my game on the Kilrogg server - it is down

• I cannot even post about it on the tech forum because, as is fairly common, the login server is down

I just think problems should be fixed before adding anything else
Wondering where tech support is for tech support :),
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You are just bitching because you like to bitch, I doubt you are happy otherwise.

Sorry, but thats exactly the reply I expected from the fanboys.
As soon as you say something against their game, you are bad.
If youre happy with the game as it is, stfu and ignore us as you do with all the other things.


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This comment was edited on Jan 13, 20:14.

Whee, look at all those replies. I am a bit surprised at what people think of saying.

So now that we know you are alive....

Have you decided to never reply to email? You told me I would hear from you after HL2....



Just a concerned Blue's Newser...

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The christmas content and new instance were done along time ago. Why you would even bring them up is aboslutely insane. Judging a problem by the amount of hits a thread about it got is also absolutely insane. Everyone reading that thread does not have the issue. I play on Icecrown and we have had major lag issues, I am sure it will be resolved. You are just bitching because you like to bitch, I doubt you are happy otherwise.

Gee. The apple store had 6 copies when I picked it up 2 days ago. Who would have thought that Blizzard would put BOTH Mac and PC versions on the same disc. Wait, they were doing that since Warcraft 2.

Start a business, then come back and tell us that you don't think 30% of your clientelle having issues is not "a large majority".

Ok. It's not.

Majority: 50% +1
Large Majority: matter of opinion, but I'd say >70%.

The term you're searching for is "large percentage".

That said, where the heck are people getting these numbers from? The 100k+ you claim for having technical issues based off "viewed" numbers on a board is utter crap. The view count doesn't eliminate one person clicking on it several times, nor does it consider that (in general) only a small percentage of players visit the boards, much less post. Or that when there are really serious login issues you cannot login to the boards either.

As for the 800k players -- again, where is this number from? Blizzard certainly isn't releasing official player counts, nor do I see any announcement from them about a 800k playerbase. The latest info I could find is that they have sold 600k copies as of early January. It's unclear that all of those copies have been activated (want to bet that someone got more than one copy as a gift?), but probably nearly all have.

As for WoW Census -- it shows that Alliance outnumbers Horde by a large majority. Repeated posts from Blizzard developers on the boards say otherwise. So my guess is that WoW Census isn't all that accurate for one reason or another.

Edit: Oh, and I do think Blizzard has done a piss poor job of communicating with their customers. The one thing they've done right is given adjustments for extended down time. But that's it. Their website is down too much (like, oh say, most of today), the login server is down too much, and there are too many technical issues in the game for one this long after release and one which had such a long beta test. Like the game, but unimpressed by the support behind it.
This comment was edited on Jan 13, 17:55.

Whee, look at all those replies. I am a bit surprised at what people think of saying.

Some random replies:

• Read what I said, not anything else.

Can you say DUH???

• Generally, the CE versions are crude ways for the company to make a few bucks. I am a fan boi and generally like having the "1337" version of a game, but that does not mean I cannot set my bias aside and look at things logically. The pet is useless, there are better useless pets (mechanical chicken :o,) and how many times can you possibly look at the art stuff?

• The rest of my comments deal with Blizzard's lackluster support, ongoing issue with the nefarious "Error 132," and outright lack of comments/information/replies to customers. The 132 error was the most common error when I first encountered it a month ago, it had a 60,000+-view sticky thread along with numerous other individiaul threads, and, in the four weeks I went before experiencing it again, it gained another 30,000 views along with even more individual threads. My commment was that there is an issue, Blizzard did not seem particularly motivated in dealing with it, I am stating that I am more than capable of running my computer, my two support threads went unanswered, the vast majority of support issues go ignored, etc.

• I further commented on Blizzard's bizarre work schedule. It is adding Christmas decorations and an instance while ignoring known problems that have been documented. I find it shocking that Blizzard does not fix even typographical errors. I find it extremely illogical that the company would spend the time adding an entire instance to a region.....while ignoring known (broken) quest bugs in the exact same region.

• On the whole, I think I commented on Blizzard and, taken as a whole, that is why I laud Blizzard for providing even worse service than SOE - certainly a negative comment, but a rather profound one.

• The warrior received a nerf from Stress Test 1, but even taken on its own now, I am not sure what the point of the class is (at least for alliance - if you are horde, you can make a meager argument for it being a replacement for the paladin class.) The warrior misses more than the other classes and has nowhere near the damage of those classes. If you want to take on the tank argument, the paladin can have the exact same armor...while being able to heal, have a pool of mana instead of having to buid up rage, and cast numerous spells. Even taunt is broken; it often holds for as little as half a second. Though this is the only real un-fun part of the game, I can still get around it. However, the frustration goes back to.........Blizzard for ignoring this issue, making drastic class changes immediately before launch without testing, etc.

• Note the ongoing distinction between the game and Blizzard. Clearly I must hate the game - that is why I play it and am now level fifty-four, soon to be fifty-five. Er...wait...or is my issue, as commented upon in my first post, the poor conduct of Blizzard at supporting its customers?

• True of false, are certain servers, like Kilrogg, down today for sixteen-plus hours of maintenance due to ongoing performance issues???

Having deleted what I typed about my posting frequency,
Apparently Insane Ray

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I said "a large majority". Not "a majority". It is a subtle difference in phrasing that is used quite commonly in the english language. While it may not actually be the dictionary definition of "majority", it is an undertood phrase to mean "a large number".

*snicker* You might want to read that again. Last i checked a majority was greater than 50%.... so a large majority means what now? How about a large minority?

Maybe you're not having these problems.

I'm not and i am Medivah.... like i said previously all my issues were reslovbed on last update.

Start a business, then come back and tell us that you don't think 30% of your clientelle having issues is not "a large majority". BTW, you are still miss quoting me. I said "a large majority". Not "a majority". It is a subtle difference in phrasing that is used quite commonly in the english language. While it may not actually be the dictionary definition of "majority", it is an undertood phrase to mean "a large number".


And you keep misrepresenting what I've been saying all along. When did I say that 100,000+ people wasn't a lot of people? You keep inferring that I don't think thats a lot of people. I defintely do. YOU are the one who first said that the error-free people are a "fortunate few". You make it sound like the people having no problems are "few". Is this also a commonly used phrase to mean "a lot"?

You know what....whatever. I'm done. You win. Go ahead and use "large majority" to mean "a large number" instead of what it really means. I've said my piece like 5 times and Im sure most people were bored to death of me after my first post. Whatever.

I'm going to shut up now and go back and play WoW on my lag-free server. Feel free to flame away.

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Of course, Garona is one of the few non-PvP servers that hasn't been taken down. So that may be why you're not seeing them -- Garona is either running on beefier hardware or has a lower populace than the other servers. I won't presume to know which.

While these numbers are not exact, take a look here:

http://www.wowcensus.com

This site can take a while to load.

Note that their data for players includes alts - only Blizzard knows how many actual people play on a server....

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Start a business, then come back and tell us that you don't think 30% of your clientelle having issues is not "a large majority".

BTW, you are still miss quoting me. I said "a large majority". Not "a majority". It is a subtle difference in phrasing that is used quite commonly in the english language. While it may not actually be the dictionary definition of "majority", it is an undertood phrase to mean "a large number".

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When we are talking about close to a million subscribers I would call 30% a large marjority, and appearently Blizzard agrees.

Maybe I'm just a rube. I don't understand how 30% of anything can be considered a majority.

I'll say it AGAIN. I agree that there are problems with WoW. I'll even use what you said in your last response. I agree that there are widespread problems in WoW. There, I said it. There is no denying that 100,000+ users with issues is a BIG PROBLEM. But in what world is 30% considered a majority? (please, no Bush/Gore jokes here)

What amazes me is that muliple times you have accused me of denying that there are issues with WoW, which is so far from the truth. I have NEVER denied that there are problems. I only said that *I* didn't have them. You repeatedly debate your side defending against a stance that I never took. Talk about someone who is unable to debate the facts.


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This comment was edited on Jan 13, 15:26.

Have you ever heard the term "arguing semantics"? It usually occurs by an individual that can't actually debate the facts, which in this case is that there are wide spread problems with WoW.

The 100,000+ (you forgot the plus) number is based on the forum count on the top most viewed threads in the TechSupport forums, which I have refered to several times in my posts, but you still seem to want to ignore and dismiss.

In another post I also refered to the 25 or so servers that have been taken down today to address the issues that are very popular in the TechSupport forums, and how this has the potential to be affecting 300,000+, which is a good 3rd of the server population. So yes, I would call this a very large majority. Would you have prefered me to use the phrase "fortunate 500,000" instead? When we are talking about close to a million subscribers I would call 30% a large marjority, and appearently Blizzard agrees.

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And, for the record, the Auction House works well for me. Each action generally takes a second or two to complete max, even at peak times.

Which AH?

Thing is, if you spend a large part of your time in Kalimdor you're unlikely to see any problems. Mail and AH are responsive, no lag, no client freezes, no boat drops, no problems at all.

Eastern Kingdoms, however, are pretty well screwed. Particularly Iron Forge. Most evenings you can forget using mail or AH -- they simply do not come back with data. Ever. If it's particularly bad forget using the boat unless you like using a Spirit Healer. And don't zone (no NPCs will show up) or die (corpse won't show up on minimap, when you get in range you won't get a dialog box, when it eventually does popup it will take 2-10 minutes to rez).

And all of these problems are outside of the login server issues -- where the login server simply doesn't work for a lot of people from starting around 7:30 EST for an hour or two. Several nights it's been so bad that Blizzard couldn't get the login server back up for 6+ hours and credited everyone 24 hours of playtime.

Maybe you're not having these problems. I'd be surprised. And the fact that Blizzard is crediting accounts indicates that it's hardly a minority of people having problems like this. The fact that Blizzard has taken down most servers for effectively the entire day indicates that as well.

Of course, Garona is one of the few non-PvP servers that hasn't been taken down. So that may be why you're not seeing them -- Garona is either running on beefier hardware or has a lower populace than the other servers. I won't presume to know which.

Are these issues (excepting the login server one) game stopping? Not usually. The inability to use mail or AH is really freaking annoying though, and the nights where lag is really bad it does render the game unplayable (the worst was the night when my instacast spells were taking 10 seconds to cast. No, I'm not exagerating -- this was in Menethil Harbor too, not IF). But they definitely take off some of the shine of the game -- it's just a good thing that WoW has so much polish on it in general.

You have zero lag in the Auction House? Im sorry, but do you honestly think this problem isn't widespread when the maintanence today is specifically to resolve this issue?

Blinders I tell ya, blinders.

Have you not read my/our posts? First...I said more than once that I recognize there are problems. Second...I said that if 100,000 people are having a problem then YES, that needs to be addressed. Third...I was merely pointing out that YOU said that people who are not having problems are in a little group affectionately called the "fortunate few". Fourth...you use your own statistics to state that 100,000 out of 800,000 are having problems. Your own facts don't match what you are saying. You are trying to make it sound like the MAJORITY of people are having problems, and that is simply not the case.

At no point have I said that I do not think the problems exist. I am not the one who effectively said that 7 out of 8 people is a "fortunate few".

I understand the problems some are having. I understand how frustrating it is. I understand that it seems like (and maybe really is the case) that Blizzard is ignoring you. I understand all that and sympathize. But its just not right to state that people having an error-free experience constitute a minority.

I sir/ma'am, am not the one wearing blinders.

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If WoW locks up your computer every 15 minutes, THEN YOUR COMPUTER IS SCREWED UP. Amazing concept.

Ray and I are both halfway through 54. We have played almost everyday. We are troopers and have played through our problems, which is all you can do in MMO's. The days we haven't played is usually because our server crashed and we decided not to bother to log back in, or Ray was crashing every 15min so it wasn't worth the effort. I think Ray has re-installed WoW 3 or 4 times now to try and fix his problems.

The fact that both of you are lvl 53 is a testament to your dedication to the game. I have roughly 4.5 days played on my main character and he sits at 35.

I spend a good deal of time each day helping out guild members and at least 30 minutes of each play session in the Auction House. I currently see lag of 2-10 seconds after 8:00PM EST till 9:30 EST. I also see it on the rare mornings that I get on before work. Apparently the rumor is that some server service is running at that time as the morning lag starts and stops at exactly the same time each morning.

Obviously some servers are having more difficulty than others. I would also say that these are the maxed out servers. As you and Ray have only played on a maxed server you have no way to compare to the experiences those of us on a medium server are having.

I truly hope you consider switching servers when the opportunity arises. One last question, are you on a PvP or PvE server? I think they are going to limit the change to server type...

One more edit - both Halsy and Sixis hit 60 yesterday so you'd have other people to play with

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This comment was edited on Jan 13, 13:08.

I started playing a couple of days ago on Bronzebeard (medium population). Lag is very rare, but mostly because I have a decent computer and am on college network.