Do you honestly believe that if Apple had the user base that Windows does that they would be as safe against spyware/malware/virii?

No, but they would be safer. Apple is using Unix (specifically FreeBSD) as its underlying OS. Unix is proven to be safer, because it was designed with security in mind while Windows was not. Is it perfect? No. But it's better.

More true now than ever; the one-stop anti-spy/ad/virus/bullshitware solution..

Macintosh: security through obscurity.

Do you honestly believe that if Apple had the user base that Windows does that they would be as safe against spyware/malware/virii?

That movie sucked

so does this situation

this all reminds me of a movie I once saw:
That movie sucked

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that was id's Wolfenstein engine running "Shakespeare's Ghost"...



http://tds.nin.com/

this all reminds me of a movie I once saw:

That movie sucked

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We don't go to Ravenholm.

One day people are complaing because MS is monopolizing the market, and Bill is accused of supplying sortware free (IE) to drive the conpetition out of buisness (Netscape)...and now they will complain about having to pay for add on programs to protect their PCs.

The problem is that MS is wanting to charge to solve a problem that they are at least partially responsible for. The massive holes in IE, Outlook, OE, and various core parts of the OS are what allow some of the spyware/malware in. Charging to remove those is unethical. Selling a defective product and then charging to fix the result of those defects is also illegal in most places.

That said, not all spyware/malware exploits bugs. A good bit of it is from people idiotically clicking "OK" to everything, and slimy companies putting crap in their EULAs that gives them the "right" to screw over the user. In that situation, I have no problem with MS, or anyone else, marketing a tool to help undo the problem. If you feel you can charge money for the service, go for it. More power to you.

The problem here is that the two categories overlap pretty heavily, and MS has a pretty lousy security record overall.

this all reminds me of a commercial I once saw (and delight in linking to whenever this crap comes up as a topic of convo):

http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/crowd.mov



More true now than ever; the one-stop anti-spy/ad/virus/bullshitware solution..

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"I want my lamp back. I'm gonna need it to get out of this slimy mudhole."

retarded users using some version of Windows you mean right?

spyware/adware that frustrates windows users is attacking vulnerabilities with MS software... most specifically/usually ActiveX...

this all reminds me of a movie I once saw:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113957/

Exactly. Last I checked Norton and McAffee charged for their services too. So much of spyware etc is down to retarded users that just click "yes" on anything that pops up.

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We don't go to Ravenholm.

You know ... it's just like Rosana Danna would say: "It's Always Something!" One day people are complaing because MS is monopolizing the market, and Bill is accused of supplying sortware free (IE) to drive the conpetition out of buisness (Netscape)...and now they will complain about having to pay for add on programs to protect their PCs. "It's always something!" Personally I use MS Widows, and IE, but I perfer my security to be handled by Norton, Lavasoft, and tools like Widow Washer and Mcafee Quick Clean. There are also good firewalls available. You either want Bill and the boys to hold your hand (and control your PC) or you make a decision to buy good 3rd party software for your (basic - and pretty good) MS Windows operating system. It's not perfect, but that is what competition is for. It is your call - Put up ...or ....
well that's the way I see it.