Haha sorry man I though you were raggin on me too. That's cool you know about them... yeah I don't know, a lot of people consider them "post punk" up there with the Theoretical Girls, Lydia Lynch, Gang of Four, and you know I don't want to list out of fear of being an elitist shit hehe. But, yeah, I don't know why any of them were and are considered post punk considering they were apart of the punk movement during th elate seventies. I guess it was just some people's punk movements were totally different than others.