Hey Tango, go fuck yourself mate.

Lol

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I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.

I got nothing to add here. Just wanted to bring the post-count to 125

And now back to your regularly scheduled trolling

You cannot make anything fool-proof. The fools are too inventive

Hey Tango, go fuck yourself mate.

this one has been mercifully free of trolling and adhominem attacks

Yeah, that's always nice.

I'd like to say it's been free of strawman arguments (another great phrase) but I am not quite sure what that means.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed."

~Steve

I'd like to say it's been free of strawman arguments (another great phrase) but I am not quite sure what that means.

I also like the evil questions - "When did you stop beating your wife?" "Did you hide the body so you wouldn't be caught, or did you think you'd get away with it?"

Use your head, don't lose it - Don't feed the trolls!

Having said that, I do find it oddly ironic that he started in tabloid TV (A Current Affair, I believe?) and now he's well...in the tabloids. Maybe they are what they eat there...

"Current Affair" had to be the sleaziest tabloid show that ever existed. The show appealed to the lowest common denominator and O'Reilly was there front and center. What a worm.

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What Would Fred Do?

Played until I got zapped to the alien universe and I don't feel like going any farther.

Me and a mate did this the other week, me doing the WSAD and him doing the mouse. It made a change to play cooperatively

BTW this is actually worth trying - it's quite funny.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, for all the berating of politics posts, this one has been mercifully free of trolling and adhominem attacks (love that phrase). I'd like to say it's been free of strawman arguments (another great phrase) but I am not quite sure what that means. I don't mind reading intelligent debate. Thanks for staying out of it Josh.
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Played until I got zapped to the alien universe and I don't feel like going any farther.

I think this happened last time, too. Good on earth, just not interesting (too much jumping all the time?) in Zen. Blah.

Oh, well, waiting for HL2....


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I thought moms were supposed to be nice, and sweet, and patient. I know loan-sharks that are more forgiving than you.

Your husband ain't dead, lady, he's hiding.

There is no difference between them. The one isn't worse than the other. They both suck.

Agreed. So vote for Kerry for another reason -- it's unlikely that the Democrats will win either the House or Senate back this election. So a Democrat in the Oval with a Republican Congress is the best way to ensure that things don't get too badly fucked up.

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003469.html#003469

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003465.html#003465

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003463.html#003463

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003456.html#003456

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003435.html#003435

~Steve

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I would like to repost something said by Bill Simmons, one of the finest columnists at ESPN, regarding the election.

Bill Simmons is one of my few "must reads" on the internet, I'm so happy he's back at ESPN.com and no longer writing for Jimmy Kimmel.

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What the hell, it's 5:00 somewhere.

Hah, I knew this was going to explode into a political debate.

I think I'll stay out of it this time... unless Halsy has something against me staying out of it.

Did Steam just do another HL2 update? Last night, I had 100% of the HL2 files, but now that I've moved them to another machine, I'm at 65%?

edit:

AH! They did!

Half-Life 2 Pre-Loading Phase 6
October 14, 2004, 3:29 pm · valve

The sixth phase of the Half-Life 2 preload begins to Steam account holders today. This will allow users to download the Half-Life 2 maps in encrypted form. No purchase is required to pre-load Half-Life 2, but is required to activate the game. The moment the game is made available, those who have pre-loaded and purchased the game via Steam will be ready to start playing.

www.muse.mu
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FYI: DEM ELECTION MANUAL: CHARGE VOTER INTIMIDATION, EVEN IF NONE EXISTS... link here -->http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm and here -->http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc.jpg

Well, you do know that he is suing her for extortion right? And she never once complained to anyone at FOX about being harrased. And she begged O'Reilly to let her come back to work for him after she left to go work at CNN for a bit. And she sent an email to her friend at CNN recently stating that she worked with wonderful, bright people and that she felt like she was home and never wanted to leave again. And that her lawyer is a large donor to Captain Ketchup and Boy Wonder. And that he said he wanted to "punish O'Reilly and FOX'

If I write in Osama Bin Laden on the ballot, do you think I will get a visit from the FBI?

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That’s a deep kiss too, like the Europeans. You know the French they have to unhinge their jaw to show love.
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You guys want to read something really funny? Head on over to The Smoking Gun to learn something new about everyone's favorite new anchor Bill O'Reilly...
yah, I was listening to it on Opie & Anthony on XM Radio (who, btw, are absolutely frigging hilarious). If its true that the woman has recordings his carreer is done for. The sanctamonius scumbag deserves it.

I can't stand the guy, but do believe in people being innocent until proven guilty...

Having said that, I do find it oddly ironic that he started in tabloid TV (A Current Affair, I believe?) and now he's well...in the tabloids. Maybe they are what they eat there...

I'd call that karma...



www.muse.mu

So the writer CLAIMS they're mostly democratic, where's the PROOF? Where are the NAMES? Give me the NAMES of these "mostly democratic" organization.

Ask the author, I didn't write the piece.

I can find you plenty more but I'm going to. As I demonstrated to you last time we had a big blowout, I can provide you with ample sources to substantiate my claims. I simply don't bother because I know you're going to categorically dismiss them as you ALWAYS do.

No, I quickly dismiss the ones that are obviously incorrect. You dismiss everything you don't agree with. There's a big difference.

Here's more for you, since 1 isn't enough:

The FBI and state authorities are investigating hundreds of possible cases of voter registration and absentee ballot fraud. Attorney General Mark Barnett, a Republican, says the probe centers on or near Indian reservations. "All of those counties are being flooded with new voters," says Adele Enright, the Democratic auditor of Dewey County. "We just got a huge envelope of 350 absentee ballot applications postmarked from the Sioux Falls office of the Democratic Party."

Steve Aberle, the Dewey County state's attorney, says many of the applications are in the same handwriting. At least one voter, Richard Maxon, says his signature was forged.

Rapid City officials are investigating two brothers who may have forged registrations. Denise Red Horse of Ziebach County died September 3 in a car crash. But both Ziebach and Dewey counties found separate absentee-ballot applications from her dated September 21 in bundles of applications mailed from Democratic headquarters. Maka Duta, who worked for the Democratic Party collecting registrations in Ziebach, bought a county history book that contains many local names. Some are turning up in the pile of new registrations. At least nine absentee ballot requests have been returned by the post office. Mable Romero says she received a registration card for her three-year-old granddaughter, Ashley. Some voters claim to have been offered cash to register to vote. In both Dewey and Ziebach counties, the number of registered voters easily exceeds the number of residents over 18 counted by the 2000 census.

Renee Dross, an election clerk for Shannon County, says her office has received some 1,100 new voter registrations in a county with only 10,000 people. "Many were clearly signed by the same person," she says. Some registrants actually live in neighboring Nebraska. As in most states, South Dakotans are on an "honor system" and don't show photo ID to register or vote. Only the unprecedented flood of applications raised any suspicions.

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-45.htm

"Those were not their signatures," Lake elections board Director Jan Clair said Wednesday. "Now, we're talking about election fraud here, and we're going to take some of these cases to the prosecutor."

She said that the registration of the deceased man was filed by the National Voter Fund, the registration arm of the NAACP, and the woman in the nursing home was registered by the group Americans Coming Together, known in this state as ACT Ohio.

She said ACT Ohio had been to two Lake County nursing homes and a number of registrations were now in question.

ACT is a partisan group formed with the specific intent to oust President Bush from office and promote Democrats on all ballots, according to its Web site, www.actforvictory.org.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/lake/1095931828197554.xml

Two recent fraudulent voter registration cases that show common a link, and connections to a voter registration drive sponsored by State Assembly Democrats, indicates there may be a specific employee of the voter registration organization committing fraud.

With the help of the investigative reporter, Moran checked into her registration status. The registration form turned in to the Los Angeles County Registrar said someone had "assisted" Moran with her registration. A phone number--(818) 545-4483--and a name--Brian Ellis--were listed. The number was called and a message was left. The person who called back said that they were operating a voter registration drive, and identified the organization as "Assembly Democrats," according to Moran and the reporter.

Carleton McBeath, a Burbank resident, called to say he had received two voter registration cards at his home for people he had never heard of before. The registration form for the voters carried the same phone number--(818) 545-4483.

http://www.calvoter.org/archive/94general/cand/state/jone/jonepres2.html

Duval County elections officials asked state prosecutors Thursday to investigate possible voter fraud involving 25 registration forms that appear to have bogus addresses, including some that match a public park, a parking lot and a Jacksonville utilities building.

Two of the forms were filled out by individuals at the elections office and 23 were submitted by people who registered voters independently. Officials didn't immediately know who turned in the independent registrations, said Erin Moody, a spokeswoman for the county elections office.

Duval county had already registered the voters before someone election officials declined to identify tipped them off about the suspicious information. All but three of the individuals registered as Democrats. Two chose no party and one checked Republican.

The Associated Press checked each address and found only one that matched an occupied house. Most of the addresses didn't exist. Residents at the occupied house said they moved in this week and did not know the person registered at the address.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGB0LXIJ10E.html

Like you said, there's more, but you get the idea.

Unlike you, I admit that both parties have apparently been "overzealous" in registration of voters and support structural reforms to end the problems and punish those who have acted illegally. You say it's evil right-wingers and narrow-minded republicans who are in the wrong. Whatever.

You'd like to think the Democrats are as bad as the GOP, and the fact is they're not.

Actually, they are worse, over the past few years, with regard to voting irregularities. For example, look at the Florida votes last year. >90% of the precincts involved were run by Democrats - and they still couldn't get the ballots/voting correct.

The United States has refused to join 85 other heads of state and government in signing a statement that endorsed a 10-year-old U.N. plan to ensure every woman's right to education, health care, and choice about having children. President Bush's administration withheld its signature because the statement included a reference to "sexual rights."

You are joking, right? Seriously? The best you can do is the fact that we refused to sign a token endorsement to a plan we already signed? We signed the plan! Give me a break.

From your link:

U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kelly Ryan wrote to organizers of the statement that that the United States was committed to the Cairo plan of 1994 and "to the empowerment of women and the need to promote women's fullest enjoyment of universal human rights."

"The United States is unable, however, to endorse the world leaders' statement," Ryan said, because it "includes the concept of `sexual rights,' a term that has no agreed definition in the international community."

The 1994 Cairo program, signed by 179 countries, including the United States...

And, finally:

Read that book and learn some real FACTS. It would bring your illusions about the GOP crumbling down and then where would you be?

Yeah, a website associated with MoveOn.org, OutFoxed, and Michael Moore films is really a great source for impartial info on the Republican "agenda". Try again.



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I thought moms were supposed to be nice, and sweet, and patient. I know loan-sharks that are more forgiving than you.

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Especially here in Silicon Valley, 200k isn't insanely rich

I'm afraid you're point of view is terribly skewed. Making over 200K a year is considered very wealthy by the vast majority of the population. I live across the Bay, make less than half that, yet can still have a decent house, a good car, eat well and support a dependent. You also seem to be missing that the tax increase will NOT affect 95% of real small businesses.

As for the rest of your comments, we're just getting down to semantics and matters of opinion, which I don't really feel like debating. The fact of the matter is Bush has the worst record of any President in 70 years. A report that came out today said our trade deficit has grown to the second largest EVER. His economic policies simply are not working. I'm actually a registered Republican, but I'm voting for Kerry. He's not my first choice (that would have been McCain,) but he still seems like a decent guy who has actually thought through these issues and it's inconcievable he could do worse than Bush has.

The U.S. economy is predicated on consumption. Considering you have 40-50 million people living at or below the poverty line imagine what that extra 2 dollars per hour would mean for the economy by way of reinvestment

It means NOTHING Halsy. Everyone who is Pro-Minimum Wage Raise always seems to think that companies will just shrug and happily bear the MASSIVE cost increase themselves. Do you really think that they will? Small businesses, the ones who generally employ the most minimum wage workers, will do the following things, in response to a minimum wage raise.

1) They will fire workers and force the remaining workers to work more for their money, by taking on extra work.

2) They will simply raise the prices of their products across the board. And I do mean, unilaterally across the board.

If the minimum wage goes up by 2 dollars an hour, expect prices on EVERYTHING to simply go up by 10-12%. Obviously, this is a gross generalization, but I think you know what I mean.

Let's take a gas station for example. (Not exactly a small business, but a good example)
All their workers get two bucks an hour more. Good stuff, you say.
Gas price goes from 1.90 to 2.10 a gallon.
The people who got those extra 2 bucks an hour ALSO pay for gas, so it's not like they gain 2 extra dollars on the fly or something.

You portray like that 2 dollars an hour is going to go right back into the economy as EXTRA money or something? In the end, it's just a multistep form of taxation.

Belgium actually raised their minimum wage by a large amount in the late 80s, and were forced six months later to lower it again, because it KILLED jobs by the truckload. Companies couldn't raise prices that massively, so they just fired workers.

Btw, raising minimum wages in the US WILL make more companies go overseas, so how exactly does John Kerry plan to raise minimum wages, AND cut back on overseas outsourcing??

And now, game 2.

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