Why would you not want to install the .NET framework? If you're using Windows you're already using Microsoft code so why would it suddenly infuriate you if it's packaged into an easy to program against class framework? Do you even understand what it is?
I hate to break it to those of you who loathe it for some bizarre reason but it's the future of Windows development (and possibly a big part of Gnome development too) and you will be using it or you'll be using a lot of old software.

how do I check to see if I have .net already installed or not? I have windows XP SP2

Check Windows Update. It should be available in the Windows component section, which is located between the critical updates and the hardware updates listings. It's under the title of .NET Framework.

If it's not there, it means you have it.

Riker:

Point your browser to http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner and download Driver Cleaner. Before switching to a different version of an ATI Catalyst Driver, you this utility to completely remove your existing ATI Catalyst Driver before installing the new version. The tool cleans up the registry, removes old drivers from the Windows systems directory and eliminates a few other evil steps. See the README file for additional info. A rather painless process. The utility also supports nVidia drivers...

"Worry is only anxiety over something that may never happen." -V2

I tried this program and when after I rebooted it didn't load, got some error message, I'm just wondering if I'm missing the .net program,
how do I check to see if I have .net already installed or not? I have windows XP SP2

so the installation of the .NET framework itself should not have caused any problems.. instead, might i suggest that you not install and run random programs (which is sound advice no matter what platform)?

Actually after installing .NET you end up some new services installed, one of which kept starting up when not needed and running away with my resources. I don't install random programs btw.

obviously you don't know much about .NET.. C# and .NET are equivalent to Java

.NET is hardly equivalent to Java, since Java can run on other platforms besides Windows.

I installed .NET once to run a program. It totally screwed everything up and I had to format my system and reinstall to get rid of it.

That sounds more like you have a crappy computer than anything else.

Having said that, you're not missing out on much. The damn control panel keeps crashing (not responding) if I fuck around in it too much. Change two settings, it can handle, but if I start doodling around with AA, then AF, then texture quality, or do a few of these things, then try to go to "no preview", it always hangs.

Pretty standard for ATI programming actually. If only Nvidia's cards were half as well constructed as ATI's, I'd actually switch back, because these driver / control panel 'issues' that ATI always has are starting to make my sphincter clench up REALLY tight.

Creston

I installed .NET once to run a program. It totally screwed everything up and I had to format my system and reinstall to get rid of it.

.NET is a framework which wraps the OS's API and provides memory/security services for managed code, so the installation of the .NET framework itself should not have caused any problems.. instead, might i suggest that you not install and run random programs (which is sound advice no matter what platform)?

obviously you don't know much about .NET.. C# and .NET are equivalent to Java (which is both a runtime and a language) and i believe you'd have a difficult time arguing that Java isn't a "real" programming language..

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thank you for standing as a paragon of stupidity for this thread.

Why is it stupid to not want to install some useless crap on my system to run a program written in by someone to lazy to learn a real programming language? I installed .NET once to run a program. It totally screwed everything up and I had to format my system and reinstall to get rid of it.

Thanks for the suggestion, Creston; I may give it a shot later on tonight.

I was just in Display Properties > Settings > Advanced earlier today, right before I downloaded and installed CATALYST v4.8 and the Control Center. So I'm fairly certain that's the only thing causing the problem. I had no other problems beforehand.

If I gut my registry, I'll let you know how it turns out :). Thanks again.

Oh cool, after uninstalling CATALYST v4.8 and the control center, then re-installing CATALYST v4.7, my system still resets when I try to open advanced display properties. Neato!

Thanks, ATI! You can bet I'll be recommending you to all of my very best friends!

Riker, that sucks (it not working).

Did you do a Registry check to see if there's any left over artifacts from previous ATI (or Nvidia?) installs there? It SOUNDS like a clash between two fragments of code. I assume besides this problem, you have no further problems with your machine (which might mean it's a memory problem)?

Go to Start, Run, and type regedit. In your registry, do a search for ATI, then for NVIDIA, delete all the keys you can find (AFTER uninstalling the Catalyst), then reboot, and reinstall, and see if it will work.

I had this problem when I installed an ATI all in one wonder on an XP machine awhile back (year and a half or so), it would always crash when opening a certain part of the front end, and it turned out it was a driver clash between something Windows XP had put on there (without my knowing), and the Catalyst driver.

Worth a shot?

Creston

Edit : Well, so far, I gotta say, it just sucks. I've used it for five minutes, and it's stopped responding three times already. Good stuff ATI...


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I just read about this thing today on tomshardware and anandtech. Out already?

It's a bit of a resource / performance hog from what I see, but I'm still going to use it, it just looks cool, and I like the profile manager.

Creston

Anybody using this notice if they added a refresh rate override feature?

It's been in the current control panel for quite some time.

Display properties>settings tab>advanced>displays tab

then find your main display (if you have more than one) and where it says 'monitor' next to the power icon, click. Er, to make that clearer click right on the word 'monitor'. That'll take you into a 'monitor properties' window that has the refresh rate override control in the attributes tab.

Hope that helps. I typed it up quick, if it's hard to follow just send me an email and I'll try to clarify.

Edit: Don't bother trying to figure out which version of .Net you have, just run windows update. I used the custom install option, don't know if it'll update with the express install option.
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jimnms, thank you for standing as a paragon of stupidity for this thread.

>>...because compiled C or C++ was the closest thing to true machine code.

Uh, compiled C and C++ isn't the "closet" thing to true machine code, it is true machine code.

On another note, how can I determine what version of the .NET Framework I have installed?

"Worry is only anxiety over something that may never happen." -V2

It's Microsoft and thus propietary. The whole appeal of Java is the write-once, run-anywhere aspect, so what's the point of virtual machines, bytecode, etc, if you're still tied to a specific platform (in this case Win32)?

err.. the CLI and C# specifications are open standards and open-source cross-platform efforts are being worked on and at least one has already been released -- please check out the mono project (www.go-mono.com).. duplicating all the rich .NET class libraries is still a challenge but i'm fairly sure it'll be accomplished eventually.

"It's Microsoft and thus propietary. The whole appeal of Java is the write-once, run-anywhere aspect, so what's the point of virtual machines, bytecode, etc, if you're still tied to a specific platform (in this case Win32)?"

Java was (is) great for just that reason. But for the same reason Java tends to run noticeably slower than something coded specifically for Win32.

The point of .Net is not really byte code, etc... It’s about extensibility (go look it up) and strong groundwork that developers can build on/with.




"I hope this doesn't replace the current ATI Control panel. It will be a cold day in hell before I install that .NET shit."

Then pretty soon you may not be able to run much. I'm curious though, what exactly is it about the ".Net shit" that makes you not want to install it?

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Anybody using this notice if they added a refresh rate override feature?

I hope this doesn't replace the current ATI Control panel. It will be a cold day in hell before I install that .NET shit.

I don't see why so many people bash .Net.

It's Microsoft and thus propietary. The whole appeal of Java is the write-once, run-anywhere aspect, so what's the point of virtual machines, bytecode, etc, if you're still tied to a specific platform (in this case Win32)?


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This comment was edited on Sep 2, 16:44.

Oh cool, after uninstalling CATALYST v4.8 and the control center, then re-installing CATALYST v4.7, my system still resets when I try to open advanced display properties. Neato!

Thanks, ATI! You can bet I'll be recommending you to all of my very best friends!

Update: I had .NET Framework 1.1 installed, but upgraded to SP1 just to be safe. No change.

This comment was edited on Sep 2, 16:27.