Ok, this morning i picked up the chainsaw for the first time.
Suddenly this bleak and dark horror game turned into a beautifull blood-red gorefest. Imps are actually running away from me now, i guess the crazed grin, the smell of petrol and the 40pound chainsaw in my hands are doing the trick!

There is one thing I have learned about Republicans and Democrats. Once they are set in thier opinions there is no moving them. You can debate and argue all you want. Niether one will EVER change the others mind. Just realize that people have thier own opinions and drop it. You might like them otherwise. There is no point eh unless you like conflict. Alot of people do.

There is only one thing that makes a great game. Do you like playing it? Thats it. The end. I have played so many games I think I'm getting over them. I'm into Hi Fi now. My P4 2.4 O/C 3g with 1 gig of DDR400 runiing at DDR500 and an O/C Radeon 9800 with Raid 0 is a great internet browser. I made this computer last year to play D3 and HL2. Now D3 is out and I have it but I haven't really felt like playing it.

Am I the only one who thinks Half-life wasn't really that great, or that innovative?

Half-Life was fun, in my opinion. But as for being innovative, I don't know.

There were 4 innovative things in Half-Life, in varying degrees:

• Telling the story through playing the game, and not cutscenes (not the first)
• One of the few early FPS's to have an RPG element like NPC's (non-player-characters: Barny, Scientists, etc). (Not the first, but done the most I'd seen for the time)
• Decent hit-location for the time (I don't THINK the first, but they did a good job for the time)
• Use a crowbar instead of knife / fists / chainsaw (While other games have different melee weapons, the crowbar was unique and became Valve's little tradmark for the HL franchise.)

Beyond that, there wasn't THAT much innovation. As I've stated in an earlier post, most FPS games follow the same formula, and Half-Life followed it the same as everyone else.

However, Half-Life was beautifully put together. The levels were exceptionally detailed, and the events the occur were very well thought-out. It was more than just a "map with textures," it was almost organic at times.

In all, it was a GREAT game the first run through. And the multiplayer (particularly the MODS) were fun.

I've only played Half-Life all the way through 2 times; the first time right after it came out, and another time a year later. Like many Single Player FPS games, there's little drawing you back for repeatability. That's where MODS and Multiplayer comes in.

On a side note... I'm playing through Doom 3, and having trouble with a boss. Text below:

Damn, I read it by accident. I thought you were asking about the Spider Demon Boss at end of Alpha, since a few people asked about that in some other forums.

Can't help you there man. Good luck!


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That's what people were saying before the original Half-Life came out. Just because you can't think of anything new doesn't mean there isn't something new.

Am I the only one who thinks Half-life wasn't really that great, or that innovative?

On a side note... I'm playing through Doom 3, and having trouble with a boss. Text below:

I'm at the end of Hell, at the Guardian boss (also where you obtain the Soul Cube). I can hear the Soul Cube telling me how to kill the boss, but I can't discern what it's telling me. So, could someone please enlighten me regarding how to kill this thing?
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Anyway how the fuck are you going to revolutionise the FPS genre? EVERYTHING has been done to it, Doom3 is just going back to basics in gameplay.

That's what people were saying before the original Half-Life came out. Just because you can't think of anything new doesn't mean there isn't something new.

I'm in agreement. It's either "DOOM 3 sucks," "DOOM 3 is fun", or "you're stupid for having opinion (x)!" I agree with the "fun" statement. Something fun doesn't have to be groundbreaking, it just has to amuse you.

One of the few things that makes one FPS stand out from another FPS is an inventory system. I'm not talking about numbers 1-0 inventory, but something like "System Shock 2" or "Deus Ex" had. Find something that might be useful? Put it in your backpack. Run out of room? Decide what you want to keep.

The only other (broader) thing I'd suggest is try to add an RPG element to the games. Besides inventory, interact with people, have a more freeform environment when not shooting things, and maybe upgrade yourself. "Deus Ex" had this, and "System Shock 2" ahd this to a degree (just about everyone else was dead). Half-Life, eh, it had it, but only to the degree to tell the actual story; you couldn't reall get around it unless you really tried hard.

Beyond that, just about everything else is:

• Run around and kill monsters / aliens / soldiers / etc.
• Find object A, "activate it," and event B occurs.
• Progress through level by fighting enemies, activating objects, and finding "keys."
• Fight the occasional boss.
• While you're at it, try telling a story.

Every FPS ever made has most of those bullet points, it's the way the game is actually delivered that makes it different. Maybe this game will have the occassional vehicle, while that game has in-game stories. Maybe this game simply requires flipping a switch, while that game requires "carrying" a battery from one room to another (which is essentially just like activating 2 objects instead of 1).

Nothing is really original anymore when it comes to FPS games.

Doom 3 did what id wanted to accomplish. They made a gorgeous FPS, added the basic FPS elements, and tried to make it scary. In the end, it's the engine that matters to them, as they're pushing technology forward.

Hope for anything beyond that, and you have a distorted view of what FPS games are.

Let it stand on its own merits, and move on. If you like it, great! If you don't, then good for you. If you disagree with the other person's opinion, then leave it at that. Arguing over it is just nonsense.

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This comment was edited on Aug 5, 10:58.

I've been quietly watching these Doom 3 threads for the past few weeks slowly and slowly becoming a greater source of hate. You guys have actually made me sign up for this forum thingy to post a reply. and here it is.

Everyone has their own opinion about the game. If people hate it, well they hate it and nothing you do will change their mind. If people like it, they like it and you can't change their mind over it. Notice the similarity? Both groups are stubborn, because both groups think they are right, in spanish these people are known as "halisco" (no idea of the spelling there :D).

Stop blooding rising to bait and trolling everyone else, i've seen enough of this "you're a fucktard" "you are a fucking loser" to last me a lifetime, it's just getting to the point of stupidity. Oh and who was the guy who said "if you warezed the game, you have no character"? That is the biggest load of tripe i've ever heard in my life. Most people warez because a game does NOT have a demo. True a lot of people who warez the game dont buy the real thing, but there are honest gamers out there, yes honest, who do buy the game even if they have the warez version.

But anyway, i digress. I can't see why so many people are slating Doom 3. I can see some have valid points, but i just dont understand half of them. True the storyline is clichéd and really just crap and the only "decent" things are the graphics and the horror. But isnt that what you wanted from this game? If any of you have actually bothered playing the game, and got to certain bits, you'll find that D3 is actually a damn good game. When you get the chainsaw, you'll know what i mean.

It's the little things that make this game great. the PDA, the cool little interactive screens, the "martianbuddy" lockers, the ammo count going down as you fire on the plasma rifle/chainsaw/assault rifle. Little things like that. If anything, this game reminds me much more of System Shock 2 than anything else. All because of the PDA and listening to audio reports about whats going on. Its just a great game. Anyway how the fuck are you going to revolutionise the FPS genre? EVERYTHING has been done to it, Doom3 is just going back to basics in gameplay.

Oh and one last thing, i agree with TheNarcis. Bring back the mentality of playing a game for fun, who cares if it's crap.

Finally a sensible review.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/review.html

video review at the bottom of the page.

Kasavin is the best.

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What Would Fred Do?

yawn... I'm maybe 4 hours into the game and it's boring the shit out of me now...

Running around in the dark, looking for PDA's and hidden ladders is such innovative gameplay!!!

This comment was edited on Aug 4, 20:52.

If you aren't playing for fun, (as you state you aren't) you are playing for the wrong reasons.

Don't be a dumbass. I said I want more than a fun (for a few hours) game when a huge (i.e. once every five years) game comes out. For fuck's sake hearts, solitaire, and the other games that come with windows are fun. So expecting Doom3, one of the two biggest games to come out in the last five years, to offer something, anything, new to a very tired FPS genre is asking too much? I think not. I am not disappointed because Doom3 wasn't fun (like I said, it's fun for a few hours, then it gets very tired) but because it offered nothing new. You're telling me that a game this long in development by one of the supposedly great game developers should be let off the hook when it doesn't offer a speck of new gameplay?
And since when did tired middle-aged black jeans and pantera t-shirt wearing nerds, perpetually stuck in a 1980s high school, become the self-proclaimed gods of computer gaming? But of course, you're right. I shouldn't ever expect a game to meet or *gasp* exceed expectations. And guess what my expectations for Doom3 were...nil, zilch, nothing. And guess what else...Doom3 met my low expectations. Since the original Doom came out, Id has not made a damn thing except engines. Quake introduced 3d gaming...blah, blah, blah. So what? That is evolution, not revolution.
I can think of exactly one game that I have played in the last 10 years that was not at any point fun (black and white...*shudder*). Almost every game ever made is fun in some ways (and I'm excluding crap like barbie surprise adventure and the like). So does that mean that every game is a great game? No. Does that mean that if I dont purchase and love every game ever made that I am not a true gamer? No. Does that mean that if I want a game to be more than throwaway fun then I am expecting too much? No.
Go home, feed your pet snake and/or tarantula, play Doom3, masturbate, and go to bed. And to quote you

Holy fuck you are really dense.

Thanks for playing though.

...it's easy to be let down by games.... I think most of us aren't looking only for fun games when huge releases come out. We want to be blown away.

Holy fuck you are really dense. This statement is exactly what Narcis and I have been refering to. You expect too much. It's your own bloated visions and expectations ruining your gaming experience, not the games. Alot of us have watched gaming take baby steps for the last 20 years to get to where we are now. You young punks want perfection with every game.

Playing video games used to be about fun, and still is for most. If you aren't playing for fun, (as you state you aren't) you are playing for the wrong reasons.

You have to be very sad in life to think this is just mediocre.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. I dunno...it's easy to be let down by games. Nowadays it seems like every game is a sequel, so that already brings alot to the table before the game ever comes out. Add to that the screenshots, updates from developers, movies, demos (sometimes), and you have an enormous hype machine that didn't exist 10 years ago. I think most of us aren't looking only for fun games when huge releases come out. We want to be blown away. Maybe it's unfair to put game developers up to that kind of a standard, but the console games seem to offer fresh takes on old themes all the time. Hell, I just spent almost 70 hours on Tale of Symphonia for GC and I don't remember the last time I had that much fun. And it was Zelda Windwaker before that. I love PC gaming and I want it to return to glory. So, I played Doom3, beat it, and thought 'Well, it was pretty good, but it wasn't that good.' My opinion coincided with what a number of people here posted...we are disappointed. We're not bashing Id, not bashing the people who like the game, we're simply saying 'Hey, I was hoping for something alot more interesting that would keep me coming back for a while'. Whatever...people are not just bashing the game because they enjoy not liking things and have miserable lives. And I specifically recall someone saying that Doom3 was the best FPS ever made, which in gaming terms equals the second coming of christ. Now that is the kind of thing a young first-time gamer might say.

I believe some pretty valid points have been made for why Doom3 isn't the second coming of Christ. What is Doom3 as a stand-alone product without the hype and Id's pedigree (they make good game engines at least)? Would you play the un-modded single player game again and again? In 2 years...5 years? Probably not. For fuck's sake accept the fact that some people think the game is only mediocre.


If you read any of my posts in here I in no way said Doom 3 was the second coming of Christ. But it is by no means mediocre either. It is advanced in technology, programmed MASTERFULLY to look as good on broad range of systems, fun to play, and them within itself justifies a supperior status over a TON of games to come out in recent years.

Just because the game doesnt do everything and wax your balls doesnt make it mediocre. It is no different and no more scripted than the original Half Life, yet everyone resorts to that logic. So why cant it still be great? It is because people like to bitch.

Fuck man, even Jesus Christ himself can make the PERFECT game and people will still bash its existence. Its all because of peoples ass mentality. And age has a LOT to do with 90% of the bashing of ALL GAMES if you actually took time to understand my post. I am not just pointing at the Doom 3 flamers... it was directed towards ALL the assholes that bash every damn game. I clearly stated that. And by age having to do with it ... you notice a growing rise of game bashing versus 5-10 years ago. It is because the kiddies are growing up and accessing computers online, and undisciplined assholes are the ones with no conscience or fear on the computer screen.

I am not old only 25, but I notice it is getting mroe out of hand the more self-less people are getting old enough to get online. Most old time gamers play games to have fun. Regardless of who, what, when, or where made it. But it doesnt please these losers, and if its not what they chose or had their one track minds set on, its automatically suxxors.

And there is NOT a single thread in ehre touting Doom 3 as the "second coming of Christ"! Yet people feel threatened when they see people ENJOYING A GAME and feel compelled to knock it down to their miserable life standards because their mind is set on something else. You have to be very sad in life to think this is just mediocre. In its own right it is a masterpiece, but then again it doesnt buff your balls so it must not be that good. Sometimes games can be fun without doint it all in one.

I am a FANBOY OF ALL GAMES.

You like all games huh? I can't imagine why anyone would disagree with you then.
And what does age have anything to do with people not loving Doom3 (I grew up with Atari and NES, so stfu before you start in on that)? I believe some pretty valid points have been made for why Doom3 isn't the second coming of Christ. What is Doom3 as a stand-alone product without the hype and Id's pedigree (they make good game engines at least)? Would you play the un-modded single player game again and again? In 2 years...5 years? Probably not. For fuck's sake accept the fact that some people think the game is only mediocre.

What happened to all the real gamers who used to be on this forum?
Having fun talking with others and just enjoy what it is to be a gamer?
Because they aren’t here anymore you lot have made them move on with your constant winging about you think you no.
Bring back the real gamers I say the ones who play the games instead of bitching about them.



Well said indead. But all them fucktards gotta be the assholes they are because their mommy doesnt love them. HAVE FUN WITH GAMES YOU SHIT FOR BRAINS! Instead of bashing everythng that comes out you poser ass gamers. And your not a gamer if your first system was a N64 or Dreamcast... because it seams the majority of the damn bashers were little undisciplined children of that bent stemcell generation.

And go on and flame me little boys because I like VIDEOGAMES regardless what the fuck fanboy A or fanboy B likes. I am a FANBOY OF ALL GAMES.

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If you break down the game into distinct areas (gameplay, storyline, etc), you will see that it doesn’t impress in any way, other than graphics and the horror atmosphere, and that there are other games that fare a lot better in each of the individual areas. The storyline is average, the environment interactivity is limited, the levels are pretty repetitive up until the second half of the game and there is no real motivation for the player to finish the game, other than to see the final cutscene and add Doom 3 to the “finished games” list. Moreover, the heavy scripting means that the singleplayer replay value is close to zero and without the continued support from the community, the multiplayer won’t attract too many players, since id already stated that the singleplayer was the main concern in the development of the game.
All in all, Doom 3 has a name that transformed itself into a legend during this past decade to back it up. And the fans that wanted nothing more than a remake of the old titles, with updated graphics and the same horror atmosphere will not be disappointed. But by comparison, Doom 3 doesn’t bring anything new to the table, and in some respects it feels obsolete compared the FPS that were released in these last years. This year marked the birth of the “Far Cry” generation, not “Doom 3”.

That review pretty much sums up why I will wait a long time to purchase Doom 3.

What happened to all the real gamers who used to be on this forum?
Having fun talking with others and just enjoy what it is to be a gamer?
Because they aren’t here anymore you lot have made them move on with your constant winging about you think you no.
Bring back the real gamers I say the ones who play the games instead of bitching about them.

well said.

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What Would Fred Do?

No such logic was stated or implied except by you. Look for this little thing called a subject line. I know it's hard to see right there at the top of a post in bold but do try.

You are retarded right? I mean, you are typing from the common room of a mental institution correct? Okay, since you lack the ability to reason, I will walk you through it. It will be a long and complicated process....that must be why you missed it. You said:

For all those who are enjoying the game just remember those people who are posting silly and mundane negative comments are demoralized because they can not afford the game. Not only can they not afford the game they can not afford the latest video card etc. Whenever you see a negative quote from someone who has obviously not even touched the game just remember someone has to make that burger or deliver that pizza that lets you keep playing while all they can do on a five year old Pentium III is post a negative comment. The world has moved on but we still need street sweepers.

So, you're saying that the only people who don't like the game "can not afford" it. My comment stands that according to you only poor people wouldn't love Doom3. I figured with your Ph.D. in philosophy from Harvard that you would have been able to follow that logic. I guess us poor people give you too much credit. You should look into taking some debate/logic classes at your local senior center...they would help you out a lot. Provided that you could stand to be seen with poor people.

And btw, what the hell does the subject line have to do with your argument? If the subject line says 'I like cheese' and the text in your post is about genetic counseling then the two aren't really related are they? Your subject line was 'yea right'. Other than the fact that it's misspelled, I don't think that has much to do with our little debate.

This only helps for getting the game installed. It won't get the game running on 98.

ShadowForge

Right on man with post #235.
Here, have a beer, wipe the sweat off your forehead...
Us original gamers have become old... the ones taking our place are spoiled and have no appreciation for what started it all in the first place.
My 5600 ultra 256mb got auto'd to 800x600, high detail, and it's alright, since this card is a POS, but I'm so trying to locate a 6800 right now, it's killing me!
I put the graphics on 1280x1024, high everything like the 6800 owners are saying...yeah I got maybe 5fps, but the screenshots do it no justice, the game simply has the most incredible look to it I've ever seen in a game, and I can turn around to my cabinet full of them(games) and feel confident my comments are true.
2 Thumbs up for ID. Great Job!