No Win98 DOOM 3

In today's (unusually late) DOOM 3 newsbit, a post on PlanetDOOM confirms from Activision that DOOM 3 will not run under Windows 98 or Win98SE, but that Windows XP or Windows 2000 will be required.
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Jul 28, 2004, 00:07
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No subject Jul 28, 2004, 00:07
Jul 28, 2004, 00:07
 
[i]The sole reason I originally upgraded to XP was to get rid of the BSoD every 5 minutes with 98.[/i]

Yep, XP is 1000 times more stable then 98, havnt had a windows crash in about...6 months.

The comp still crashes for sure, though now its from other things like unpatched games that hate your computer.

Theres really no sound arguement that can be made about 98 being better then XP...its simply not true, XP is a much better piece of software then 98 ever was.

Go buy yourself another stick of ram, and install XP. You will thank yourself later.

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BSoD
Jul 27, 2004, 23:57
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BSoD Jul 27, 2004, 23:57
Jul 27, 2004, 23:57
 
The sole reason I originally upgraded to XP was to get rid of the BSoD every 5 minutes with 98. Sure, that's an exaggeration, but pretty accurate considering I probably got one a day with 98, and now can only get 'em when something really freaks out in my computer. Last time I got one....when my sound card wasn't seated properly.

Any true gamer tailored XP for gaming right after they installed the video card drivers.

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Recap
Jul 27, 2004, 23:51
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Recap Jul 27, 2004, 23:51
Jul 27, 2004, 23:51
 
Lets recap this thread:
Every single person that uses windows xp/2000 say it's better than 98, and every person that has never used xp or 2000 say it sucks.

People that say 98 is better than xp or 200 are retards is the conclusion I come to.

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Re: Try Linux...
Jul 27, 2004, 23:43
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Re: Try Linux... Jul 27, 2004, 23:43
Jul 27, 2004, 23:43
 
My second PC is an Athlon 1.4 ghz with a GF3 Ti200 (soon to be GF4 Ti4200 hand-me-down from my main rig, which just got a 6800GT). It runs Win98, and I've never felt the need to upgrade, because, well, it runs just fine. It also has Linux on it, so there's no rush to upgrade just to play Doom 3.

Of course HL2 probably won't run on Win98, and that won't run under Linux, so maybe I should just bite the bullet and upgrade the Windows soon. Decisions...

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53.
 
Oh gee...
Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
53.
Oh gee... Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
 
Yeah, let me tell you my XP horror story. I installed it, and it WORKED PERFECTLY. It set up my home network after asking me a couple questions, it detected the hardware that prevented Win2K from installing, and the only time it blue-screened on me was when my hard drive suffered a major physical failure.

Microsoft, you bastards. You've really made me mad this time.

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Try Linux...
Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
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Try Linux... Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
Jul 27, 2004, 23:27
 
Rather than bashing folks who use Win98, I'd like to suggest they give Linux a shot. Doom3 will run just fine on Linux, and the Linux client will be released nearly instantly with the game appearing on store shelves. Doom3 MP was demo'd only on Linux PC's at last year's Quakecon.

I don't blame anyone for sticking to Win98, whether for financial reasons or a desire not to pour more money into MS' coffers, since it allows folks to do most of what you use a PC for, web, email, word processing and games.

Linux and Doom3 (if you have an Nvidia card) is really a cakewalk. Anyone who wants a linux dual-boot system, I'd personally be happy to help make the transition. Post here or for a lot of support, post on linuxquestions.org. I would recommend downloading the free version of SuSE 9.1 Personal from here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.1-personal-iso/

If you've got unallocated drive space, or a Fat32 drive with, oh say 3 or 4 GB free, that should be plenty of space for SuSE and Doom3.

In all honestly, if you still use Win98 as your primary OS, yuou may absolutely love SuSE for your full-time OS.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 23:21
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 23:21
Jul 27, 2004, 23:21
 
Windows 98?? You mean there are still people using that shit?

Hell, my aunt was still using Win95 just last year. heh She kept having problems with it so I upgraded it to Win98 for her. I would have went with Win2k, but seeing as it came installed with 95, the hardware just wouldn't handle it. Yet it was still slow and had problems.. So I finally convinced her to get a laptop with wireless internet and now she's happy.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 23:20
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 23:20
Jul 27, 2004, 23:20
 
I remember that Alice and Undying supposedly wouldn't run on Win98/95, but I ran both of them on Win98 with no problems.

Alice and Undying do support Win 95/98. Whachu smokin'?

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No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 23:18
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No subject Jul 27, 2004, 23:18
Jul 27, 2004, 23:18
 
Anyone daring enough to call themselves a true gamer, would also know how to strip Windows XP of all the stuff that makes it a resource hog. All the unneeded services and other crap.

Anyone claiming that WinXP is unstable and slow, either:
1. has a computer that wouldn't run Doom3 in the first place.
2. Is an idiot.

Thank you! I'll be here all night.


- First post from a lurker of about a year, I just couldn't resist this thread.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 23:04
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 23:04
Jul 27, 2004, 23:04
 
Windows 98?? You mean there are still people using that shit?

The only OS I can think of that is WORSE than Win98 was Windows ME. While it is true that Windows 2000/XP use more system resources and the like, it is worth it.

I have to agree with Dagok that Windows 2000/xp is FAR MORE STABLE than any previous MS OS.

I can leave my WinXP system running for months without rebooting. I can install all kinds of games and applications, change hardware, change drivers, and do almost anything I want and WinXP keeps running fine about 99% of the time.

I still remember how Win98 would blue screen and crash just about every time you changed anything. It sucked.

And if your computer is too slow to handle Windows XP then you sure as hell aren't going be able to play Doom 3 very well. Windows 2000 was nice, and XP is better.

Drag your anachronistic ass out of the 20th century and get Windows XP.


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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 23:03
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 23:03
Jul 27, 2004, 23:03
 
LOL, you guys are too funny Ok, I got one..


How 'bout the Win98 guys run Doom3 in WinXP compatability mode? Would that work?

Oh wait.. they don't have that feature.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:55
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 22:55
Jul 27, 2004, 22:55
 
People still ride horse-drawn buggies.

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:53
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Re: Jul 27, 2004, 22:53
Jul 27, 2004, 22:53
 
"diRty roBot Thats a very imature and stupid post, if he want to have windows 98 its none of your business because if he said his happy with it what is the problem and why you need to insult someone for that!!"

I agree...I think... NORDS... but it was seriously funny!:P

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:50
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 22:50
Jul 27, 2004, 22:50
 
Hahah people unwilling to upgrade from Win98 crack me up.
Reasons to upgrade:

- WinXP/2k are both 10x more stable than Win98 or WinME (dont remember the last time I had a blue screen of death, a year maybe?).
- WinXP/2k have much better hardware support, meaning most companies have stopped or will soon stop developing new drivers for 98/ME.
- WinXP/2k can properly utilize 512+mb of ram. You can have 1gig of ram in Win98 sure, but its not going to use it.
- WinXP/2k both have far superior Admin functions.
- Anything you want to complain about "Microsoft taking more control over your PC", can be disabled in the Administrative Tools if you take 10min and learn how, so it is not an excuse.
- WinXP has better desktop GUI customization options.
- WinXP/2k has a more superior Networking system and options. Just takes a little learning to set it up so you aren't leaving yourself open for attack.

This is just a sample. If you really wanted to dig up specifics there are plenty of news resources that you can go find this out for yourselves...but being the way some of you are its obvious that you are going to defend an old OS for no reason. If you still play old games/EMU's that require DOS, then have a dual boot...but most of us have moved into the future.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:40
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 22:40
Jul 27, 2004, 22:40
 
Bohooo, It won't run on 98 or a 3DFX card???? What were they thinking????

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:40
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:40
 
Rictor, you're either a dope or a troll. Protected memory is the first reason to get windows XP, as any fule kno. The second reason is it gets rid of the DOS layer. The third reason is that it is six years more advanced than the hopeless kludge you are using now, and no self-respecting gamer would dream of using Windows 98. Or, just get yourselves a hobby that's stuck in the past, like model railway trains.

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:39
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No subject Jul 27, 2004, 22:39
Jul 27, 2004, 22:39
 
Not supporting a 6 year old OS? What's next . . . requiring 3D hardware? It's a travesty I say.

C'mon guys - a copy of XP is like $90 if you know where to look. Prolly even less if you look hard. And it's way more stable.

I just wish MS would come out with a gaming OS that would turn off all the shite you don't need in order to eek out maximum performance without having to be an OS tweaking/config guru. Or at least the ability to reboot into a "gaming mode" or something like that.

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:38
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Re: No subject Jul 27, 2004, 22:38
Jul 27, 2004, 22:38
 
Thanks NORDS for your comment. I may have been harsh but years of tech support have blackened my heart. Win98 is the bane of my existence and the more developers stop supporting it the better.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:32
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:32
 
diRty roBot Thats a very imature and stupid post, if he want to have windows 98 its none of your business because if he said his happy with it what is the problem and why you need to insult someone for that!!

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:30
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:30
 
Besides, its not like this is Linux we're talking about, and you have to code seperetely for it. How can you *not* make it 98 compatiable, thats the way it is by default?

There are some major differences between 2000/XP and 98. But I don't think this alone is the reason. After all, a MFC C++ application will run under both, so long as appropriate DLL's are there.

98 is no longer supported by Microsoft. Say what you want, but this also means that many hardware companies are starting to disregard the OS, or at least tone down their support.

So, DOOM 3 may need a certain version of a DLL library or a certain capability of a driver, which may not be available on 98 because of Microsoft or a video card company.

It could also be a memory issue, as 2000/XP and Win9x handle memory differently. Win9x does it in a more shoddy way, which is why you get major OS crashes.

Then again, the message might simply be "is not supported under 98." In which case, they make no gaurantees that it will work under 98 and won't support any tech requests for it. So you can try running D3 on Win98, but if it doesn't work or keeps crapping out, you're S.O.L.


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