No Win98 DOOM 3

In today's (unusually late) DOOM 3 newsbit, a post on PlanetDOOM confirms from Activision that DOOM 3 will not run under Windows 98 or Win98SE, but that Windows XP or Windows 2000 will be required.
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Jul 28, 2004, 03:12
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Jul 28, 2004, 03:12
 
Ludomancer...get real.

Man, I better sell my new car and go buy a '78 Pinto. I wouldn't want to be "programmed" by a car manufacturer into thiking newer=better. lol. I hate kids.

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He cut the possum's face off then cut around the eye socket. In the center of the belt buckle, where the possum's eye would be, he has placed a small piece of wood from his old '52 Ford's home made railroad tie bumper. Damn, he misses that truck.
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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
 
FAT32 or NTFS. Whats better. And why?


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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
Prez
 
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
Jul 28, 2004, 03:08
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Running Internet Explorer 4, 5, 6. Browsing safe websites.
(alternatively) Running netscape 4.x, 6.x. Again, safe websites.
Plugging in a USB device (this has got win2k and xp a few times for me also, not as bad as win98 of course).
Running a game.
Exiting a game.
Minimizing / alt-tabbing out of a game.
Installing drivers.
Uninstalling drivers.


Oh yeah? I got it to crash once just by looking at it funny!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 03:06
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Jul 28, 2004, 03:06
 
I run Win2k, but I have to say there is nothing new in Win2k or WinXP that makes it worth upgrading. There are a few new, interesting features, but you can get by just fine with Win98. It is a perfectly acceptable and working operating system. Just because you've been programmed by Microsoft to thing newer=better doesn't mean it is.

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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 03:06
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 03:06
Jul 28, 2004, 03:06
 
Let me list a few things that have crashed a clean Win98 gaming install:

Running Internet Explorer 4, 5, 6. Browsing safe websites.
(alternatively) Running netscape 4.x, 6.x. Again, safe websites.
Plugging in a USB device (this has got win2k and xp a few times for me also, not as bad as win98 of course).
Running a game.
Exiting a game.
Minimizing / alt-tabbing out of a game.
Installing drivers.
Uninstalling drivers.

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Jul 28, 2004, 03:05
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 03:05
Jul 28, 2004, 03:05
 Prez
 
Why the hell are all you guys up at this hour? GO TO BED!

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Jul 28, 2004, 03:03
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Jul 28, 2004, 03:03
 
If you still use Windows 98 as your main OS you don't deserve to play Doom 3, or even own a copy of the game for that matter. These freaks will spend $500 on a video card but they won't spend a couple of hundred bucks for Windows 2000/XP, both INFINITELY better operating systems???

Thank God for this news. The last thing Carmack and the rest of ID need to do is support the morons still using Windows 98. I can just see it now the types of emails he would be getting from these people, "I demand my money back Mr. Carmack! My Windows 98 system with 64 megs of memory keeps crashing when I play your game, you suck at coding, ID sucks, Activision sucks, everyone sucks!!!"

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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:58
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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:58
Jul 28, 2004, 02:58
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Guess which ones require the most support?? WINDOWS 89/ME.

Windows 89... is that better than ME? I might use that instead!
Seriously though, you info is dead on-XP is way more reliable.(I use XP on my machine at work and ME at home-God help me.) I have actually have eliminated most of my BSOD's, but that is being very meticulous about how I install and use software. But, no question- whether or not you question Microsoft's ethics, XP is better.

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Jul 28, 2004, 02:58
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Jul 28, 2004, 02:58
 
DON'T do that. If you ever need to re-install, or if you change enough hardware in that first system, it will need to re-activate. At this point you'll be screwed, MS won't re-activate it, as you've told them you took your copy of XP off this machine.

Sorry but you are wrong. This is exactly what I was refering to. You can call them and they WILL re-activate it, I have done it, everyone that I know that has WinXP and rebuilds computers on a regular basis has done it. Microsoft cannot force you to buy another WinXP license just because you changed hardware or are reinstalling WinXP. However they are banking on people that don't bother to call, to do just this and go buy another WinXP.

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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:56
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:56
Jul 28, 2004, 02:56
 
I should state for the record, that I have nothing against *nix OS in general. It's the *nix fundamentalist dorks who complain constantly about Windows that get under my skin. 99% of them are running Windows either on Dual boot, or as a second machine anyway. "Only because they HAVE to" lol

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He cut the possum's face off then cut around the eye socket. In the center of the belt buckle, where the possum's eye would be, he has placed a small piece of wood from his old '52 Ford's home made railroad tie bumper. Damn, he misses that truck.
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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:48
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:48
Jul 28, 2004, 02:48
 
If you are going to attempt wise ass comments, seenitall, at least let the rest of us in on them. What you said only means something to you. Come out with it already, big guy. Clearly you have something on your mind.

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He cut the possum's face off then cut around the eye socket. In the center of the belt buckle, where the possum's eye would be, he has placed a small piece of wood from his old '52 Ford's home made railroad tie bumper. Damn, he misses that truck.
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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:45
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:45
Jul 28, 2004, 02:45
 
Yah, I agree with Flo, Rock Climber pretty much just said it all right there.

as for "no BSODs ever" in win98...that's 100%, absolute purified BULLSHIT. "knowing how to tweak your system" and all, EVEN WITH THAT, this guy apparently never left his 98 machine on for more than a day. ALSO, he MAGICALLY knew how to tweak this new OS to not fuck up, without ever making a mistake that caused a crash. sure! yeah, I'll believe that. Know why? Because I'm dating Halle Berry, drive a TVR Tuscan, and I own a house in every state in the continental US. I mean, shit, my situation is about as likely as 6 years without a BSOD.

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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:44
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:44
Jul 28, 2004, 02:44
 
Yep, you sound about like all the "IT Pro's" I've ever known.


and I run XP so don't even start.

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Jul 28, 2004, 02:42
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Jul 28, 2004, 02:42
 
. You can install your copy of XP as many times as you like, however possibly depending on the version, you can have it installed on multiple machines as well. All you have to do is call the Customer Service line (which is open 24/7) and tell them that you have changed hardware or building a new PC

DON'T do that. If you ever need to re-install, or if you change enough hardware in that first system, it will need to re-activate. At this point you'll be screwed, MS won't re-activate it, as you've told them you took your copy of XP off this machine.

Also, there seems to be some confusion in this thread as to what the difference between XP Home and Professional is. Let me run over the biggest differences:

Professional adds:
Dual CPU support (Home still supports hyperthreading fully).
File encryption
Advanced Directory services
Simultanious File sharing for more than 5 computers
Remote desktop control

If you don't know what any of the features are, then you definately won't need them. Basically if you're not running a dual-cpu workstation or in an office with 50+ other computers, then Home is the windows you want.

Full feature comparison is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx

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Jul 28, 2004, 02:41
No subject Jul 28, 2004, 02:41
Jul 28, 2004, 02:41
 
Shit, I just hope I can get my mouse drivers into high memory so I can free up enough ram to get under the 640K limit.

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Re: Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:40
Flo
Re: Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:40
Jul 28, 2004, 02:40
Flo
 
Let's hear from IT Pros

A big, loud, DITO, rock climber. Yout take the words out of my mouth.
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Let's hear from IT Pros
Jul 28, 2004, 02:34
Let's hear from IT Pros Jul 28, 2004, 02:34
Jul 28, 2004, 02:34
 
As an IT manager, I have 2 buildings, and about 300 users. Because of the nature of my business, many people bring in their own private computers, and I have to support them. (Real Estate Agents) I've seen nearly every POS PC/Laptop made in the past 6-7 years. Guess which ones require the most support?? WINDOWS 89/ME. In fact, the problems we were having with Windows 98 / ME machines were so damn bad, that we finally banned it from our buildings and network. We no longer support anything less than Windows 2000, and everything we own and operate (as far as desktops) is XP Pro. All of our servers are 2000/2003 and they run like charms.

98 = Lockups, blue screens, FAT32 (lol), and ever-shrinking support. Try running a business network with 98/ME clients. What a freaking nightmare.

I've been working in IT since 1992. I have been gaming ONLINE since Quake was in beta. (played Wolfy and Doom and all those prior to true online gamine) I ran 2000 once they stabilized it completely with service packs. Worked great for gaming. When it was available, I got a Release Canditate of Windows XP, and never looked back. I upgraded to the final version when is came out I've been gaming on it ever since and it's been rock solid. Worst thing I have delt with is crappy drivers. My computer at home is gamed on daily and is powered up 24 hours a day. I go months without reboots. Try that on 98/ME.

Those of you who live in some fantasy world where Windows 98 is better than XP need to wake up and join the rest of us in the modern world. For christ sakes, go become a Linux dork if you must, but don't stick to 98 because you think it makes you a "hardcore gamer". Take it it from people who work with these OS's all day, every day for a living, and have been gaming on it since it came out. XP is rock solid.

This reminds me of the Linux dorks who complain about Windows XP. Their list of complaints shrinks with every new version of Windows. Half of them still make arguments that don't even apply to Windows XP. Of course people find security leaks in Windows. It's the most used desktop in the world,and also the most targeted by the people intersted in finding security leaks. I've run several flavors of Linux in the past. Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, etc. I got as many security updates for those as I did for Windows. Especially Red Hat.

As for the PLAYED OUT "Microsoft is an Evil Empire" Bs excuse.... give me a break. Look around your house at all the major name brand you have purchased. You think Microsoft is the only company in the world that uses strongarm tactics in business sometimes? Pull your head out and learn about the world, junior.


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He cut the possum's face off then cut around the eye socket. In the center of the belt buckle, where the possum's eye would be, he has placed a small piece of wood from his old '52 Ford's home made railroad tie bumper. Damn, he misses that truck.
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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
 
Win/98 is SIX YEARS OLD. Time to give it up dudes. XP is not that bad.

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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
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Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
Jul 28, 2004, 02:32
 Prez
 
Good info. Thanks. What's another $100 bucks to a guy who spends $1500+ a year on PC games? (Although, it IS something to my wife, I can tell you that...)

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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 02:27
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Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 02:27
Jul 28, 2004, 02:27
 
I never ever actually went to 98 because all games worked perfect in XP

This isn't entirely accurate. There are still many games that won't work properly (or at all) on XP or 2K. Rune, Soul Reaver, Syndicate Wars, etc. Basically, older, lower profile games probably won't work with NT-based OSes. This is why I still keep my 98SE HD in my system. If you just want to play classics like Duke 3D or Quake, XP should be fine. Otherwise, it's a good idea to keep 98SE standing by.

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