No Win98 DOOM 3

In today's (unusually late) DOOM 3 newsbit, a post on PlanetDOOM confirms from Activision that DOOM 3 will not run under Windows 98 or Win98SE, but that Windows XP or Windows 2000 will be required.
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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 10:11
Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 10:11
Jul 28, 2004, 10:11
 
Shawn Swift said "According to the Steam statistics that Valve released a while back, Windows 95 + 98 together make up less than 7% of the market.

That may not sound like much, but if Doom 3 makes 50 million, that's 3.5 million they're throwing away. "

Yes, but what percentage of that 7% have computers that meet Doom3's minimum requirements? You can't really compare Half-Life user stats to those that would be buying Doom3 since Half-Life/CS will run on a lowly P5-200, probably even lower.

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Re: Go easy on us
Jul 28, 2004, 09:53
Re: Go easy on us Jul 28, 2004, 09:53
Jul 28, 2004, 09:53
 
The only way it's going to be cheaper is if you're going to buy a used copy off somebody. Which I guess isn't that bad of a plan, but I don't see a lot of people selling their copies of Windows 2000 on the used market.

You'll pry my copy of Windows 2000 out of my cold dead hands. I don't think there's much worth upgrading from 2000 to XP for right now. I'll have to upgrade from 2000 eventually, but I'll be sure to bitch like all the 98 guys when that time comes.

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No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 09:40
No subject Jul 28, 2004, 09:40
Jul 28, 2004, 09:40
 
Finally a good decision, win98 should be exterminated, anyone running it should be infected and forced to upgrade. kthx.

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 09:35
Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 09:35
Jul 28, 2004, 09:35
 
If my system hadn't started crashing constantly, I'd still be using 98 myself. Of course swithcing to XP did not fix the crashing, and replacing all the components in my system has still not fixed the crashing. Oh well.

If replacing the OS and the all the hardware didn't solve the crashing problem then maybe you need to upgrade the user

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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 09:23
Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 09:23
Jul 28, 2004, 09:23
 
Rubbish...XP can run, well, just about anything.

Actually, that is "rubbish." I have a number of games which will not work on Windows XP regardless of the compatibility mode settings. Extreme G2 comes to mind, but I have quite a few others as well. The NTFS file system in Windows XP and 2000 is also incompatible with a numbere of game update installers such as the ones for Tribes 1 and Gunlok.
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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 09:14
hkm
Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 09:14
Jul 28, 2004, 09:14
hkm
 
There are still many games that won't work properly (or at all) on XP or 2K. Rune, Soul Reaver, Syndicate Wars, etc. Basically, older, lower profile games probably won't work with NT-based OSes.

Rubbish. Rune works fine on XP. I've tried Soul Reaver, and it worked fine too. XP can run, well, just about anything.

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Re: No Win98 Doom3
Jul 28, 2004, 09:03
Re: No Win98 Doom3 Jul 28, 2004, 09:03
Jul 28, 2004, 09:03
 
No kidding. If you are still using Win98 you have bigger things to worry about that Doom 3!

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Re: Another IT Pro
Jul 28, 2004, 09:02
Re: Another IT Pro Jul 28, 2004, 09:02
Jul 28, 2004, 09:02
 
I suggested SuSE 9.1 personal. For a newbie its dead simple. I would guess that the issues you had with 9.1 are a result of upgrading 8.1 to 9.1, SuSE updating has always been terrible. I've performed about 30 installs of 9.1 Pro on workstations and slow LAN transfers or freezes have never been an issue.
I'll admit I haven't tried Personal, but I can't see how it would be less stable, just fewer apps.

Damnsmalllinux is a great idea, but it may be an uncomfortable OS for a linux newb.

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No Win98 Doom3
Jul 28, 2004, 08:57
No Win98 Doom3 Jul 28, 2004, 08:57
Jul 28, 2004, 08:57
 
Ummm...

WHO CARES??? Anyone still using windows 98 needs professional help... ;p

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 08:47
Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 08:47
Jul 28, 2004, 08:47
 
Anyone running Win98 is more likely to have a system that can't run Doom3 though...

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 08:35
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Jul 28, 2004, 08:35
 
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Re: Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X?
Jul 28, 2004, 08:26
Re: Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X? Jul 28, 2004, 08:26
Jul 28, 2004, 08:26
 
Graeme Devine used to be THE MacOS guy over at id, but it doesn't seem like he's working there any more if this page is anything to go by:

http://www.idsoftware.com/business/team/

Edit: I guess I'm a little bit out of it, since Graeme left id in 2003.

http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=8207

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 08:12
Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 08:12
Jul 28, 2004, 08:12
 
Ok the reason why WinXP uses more resources is becasue it's intended to be used on more powerful rigs. Like 2+ ghz CPUs, hi-speed 100gig HDDs, and 512megs of RAM. *NOT* a system made 6/8 years ago that was BARELY running 300mhz and 128megs of Ram, and two gig hard drives with UDMA.

So why should microsoft not take advantage of new hardware that comes out? They MUST update thier software to keep up with new hardware advances, and also take advantage of how RAM is getting cheaper all the time, with everyone running a GIG of RAM if not more.

Also if we were ALL using win95 (for example) after 9 years, we would have PILES of CDs with software and drivers to support all the new hardware we have now for it to work with 95. Imagine how long it would take to install all that crap?

What if we were still using Win 3.1? we would have probably have upteen consecutive service packs that we would have to install one after another, and loads drivers and software installs to get it to work right with the hardware we use today.

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Re: Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X?
Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
Re: Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X? Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
 
What about the Mac Port? Assuming there will be one. Carmack has always been cool about Mac Ports. I'm sure it will only work with OS X. Poor OS 9 users.

Besides I'm a Widoze users, so why should I care. I've been very happy with Windows 2000 and XP. Absolutly hated WinME, and Win98 was OK but lacked in many ways.

Carmack commenting on the Mac port. He said it would be released, but not right away (they have to make some more changes).

He said the Linux version should be out earlier, but Mac is definately on the horizon.

Now, if only I could afford a dual G5

I guess my upgraded PC will have to do.



Pentium 4 3.06 GHz w/ Hyperthreading & 533 MHz FSB
1024MB PC2700 Crucial RAM
ATI Radeon 9800XT
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Re: Giggle
Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
Re: Giggle Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
Jul 28, 2004, 08:11
 
What about the Mac Port? Assuming there will be one. Carmack has always been cool about Mac Ports. I'm sure it will only work with OS X. Poor OS 9 users.

Besides I'm a Widoze users, so why should I care. I've been very happy with Windows 2000 and XP. Absolutly hated WinME, and Win98 was OK but lacked in many ways.

Carmack commenting on the Mac port. He said it would be released, but not right away (they have to make some more changes).

He said the Linux version should be out earlier, but Mac is definately on the horizon.

Now, if only I could afford a dual G5

I guess my upgraded PC will have to do.


Pentium 4 3.06 GHz w/ Hyperthreading & 533 MHz FSB
1024MB PC2700 Crucial RAM
ATI Radeon 9800XT
Windows XP Pro
"Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you."
-Fry, Futurama
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No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
No subject Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
 
all this bitching about win98 and i'm genuinly shocked no-ones yet mentioned the 49 day practically hard coded uptime limit (did they jsut ignore bug as 2k/xp were out or is there actually patch now?, not that anyone actually doing aNYTHING on 98 would be able to keep it running that long anyway)

and DLL HELL!

no really, having to reinstall your OS very 3-6 months to stop it CRAWLING is absolutely ideal for home users knowing sfa about computing.

2k/xp is truly the way to go for all MS users, get over it.

I've worked as a comp/net tech since win3.1, having to deal with 98 or even worse, ME, just makes your stomach crawl when your out on a job, a significan't number just can't be dealt with in the end whatever without a reinstall, and they are almost ALWAYS problems that simply just don't happen at ALL on 2k/xp. hell, just trying to trace the problem in the first place, or recover files, on 98 more often than not crashes the machine so you have to start all over again.

and that ntfs v's fat32 debate, you saw the comparison page and surmised that the home user wouldn't care for ntfs? so you missed the recoverability rating then? dealing with disk problems, SO much better with ntfs..your MUCH more likely to get your data back.
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Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X?
Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
Win9X blows.. what about Mac OS X? Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
Jul 28, 2004, 07:51
 
What about the Mac Port? Assuming there will be one. Carmack has always been cool about Mac Ports. I'm sure it will only work with OS X. Poor OS 9 users.

Besides I'm a Widoze users, so why should I care. I've been very happy with Windows 2000 and XP. Absolutly hated WinME, and Win98 was OK but lacked in many ways.

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Giggle
Jul 28, 2004, 07:34
Giggle Jul 28, 2004, 07:34
Jul 28, 2004, 07:34
 
Funny thread. I can't wait to play Doom3 on WinXP SP2.

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Another IT Pro
Jul 28, 2004, 06:03
Another IT Pro Jul 28, 2004, 06:03
Jul 28, 2004, 06:03
 
I've worked in IT support and my heart sinks and fills with dread when a customer tells me they are using 98/ME. It's simple is a crap, unstable and outdated OS.
NT 4 was bad but moving in the right direction, NT 5(win2000) was a lot better but long boot times were a pain, NT 5.1(XP) is much better.
I wish we could stop having to support 98/ME but then I wish we could stop supporting SCO unix too ( god that's a bad OS, I used it for 8 years before being converted to Linux ) we support AIX(32/64bit), HPUX(32/64bit), SOLARIS(32/64) plus a few more nix's, SCO is the biggest cause of server support calls and 98/ME is the biggest cause of client calls even though the number sites using 98/ME is dropping all the time.

You want a small, low overhead OS for games?
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ just update the default video driver.
Also check out:
http://www.knoppix.net/

Someone recommended Suse 9.1 personnal, I've been having network problems ( very slow lan transfers ) after updating a machine from 8.1 to 9.1 so I won't recommend it.
Suse 8.2 has recently given network freeze up ( have to do /etc/rc.d/network restart ), but I spent a good hour or so play Quake3 against my daughter the other day without any problems from my laptop running Suse 8.2. Previously I had no problems Suse ( from 6.4 up ).

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Re: Go easy on us
Jul 28, 2004, 05:45
Re: Go easy on us Jul 28, 2004, 05:45
Jul 28, 2004, 05:45
 
This is mainly in reply to prez, who is at least sensible about this I understand the feeling of being burned upgrading to ME, the reason m8? you were burned, ME was truely a bad move from MS.

2k/xp on the other hand isnt, to try to answer your point about i paid for 98 let me play it on 98 talk, well i paid for windows 3.1 in 1991. i dont expect to play the game on that. I really dont.

To the trolls,

The main issue i guess is going to be memory managment, 98 just doesnt do real protected memory, thats why more oftern than not when a app crashes on 98 if it crashes due to a memory issue, some other application will have over writern a bit of memory that another app is using, totaly system ram usage is a issue in the older MS Os's - but protected memory is the main bug bear.

In a real operating system, like for instance, any linux bread, or indeed 2k or xp (i could mention others but lets keep to the point) the operating system just wont allow this to happen, you CAN NOT write to a bit of memory that some other application/program has registered with the operating system. its called protected memory. The more ram you have and use on a system that has unprotected memory the greater the risk or the bluescreen of death, or app failure.

now of course, this is most likly no the reason at all you cant run doom3, carmac prolly found a all new interesting way to break the game on that OS. but its reason enuff, if you run 32bit apps, on a proper 32bit OS. Your gonna have a stable platform. Please dont give us any jive about real gamers use 98, i am a real gamer, ive been a real gamer since way before you bought your first computer.

learn that sometimes, progress is good. admittidly its gonna burn you in some way, maybe thats you cant run a old game you like, maybe it means you need more ram. maybe it means you need a quicker box, maybe it means you have to learn some new technology.

Buy upgrading to 2k or xp, you gain a better file system, you gain more stable memory structure, you'll a REAL 32 bit OS, as apposed to a 16 bit os with 32bit code meshed in. youll gain a OS with real user security (apart from the holes). If you upgrade your current machine you will need more ram to make your games run at the same frames, this is true, the operating system has a bigger memory foot print, get over it.

1 more bonus? the uptime on my box is about 2 months atm, it would be longer other than various MS security updates i've installed that wanted a reboot. go on, tell me your 98 box can remain up for more than a week without grinding to a halt, i dare you. :p

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