No Win98 DOOM 3

In today's (unusually late) DOOM 3 newsbit, a post on PlanetDOOM confirms from Activision that DOOM 3 will not run under Windows 98 or Win98SE, but that Windows XP or Windows 2000 will be required.
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Re: good riddance !
Jul 27, 2004, 22:29
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Re: good riddance ! Jul 27, 2004, 22:29
Jul 27, 2004, 22:29
 
When I first installed XP I kept dual boot for win 98 so I can play my games in win98 and do everything else in XP. Well it turned out that I never ever actually went to 98 because all games worked perfect in XP so when I upgraded hard drive I just ditched 98 altogether

That is exactly what I did when I first upgraded to Win 2k. Had a dual-boot, but I got sick and tired of the crashes and BSoD in Win 98. Finally deleted the Win 98 partition and never looked back.

I just upgraded to Win XP Pro about a month ago, and I have it set up so that it looks and feels like Win 2k. The boggest difference between Win 2k and XP is the MUCH faster boot time under XP. Booting up takes about 15 seconds in XP, compared to couple of minutes it used to take in Win 2k, and almost 5 minutes (if I remember correctly) in Win 98. Of course, all three OSes were not on the same system, so almost like apples and oranges. But they were on the latest, fastest computer at the time.

Take it for what it's worth, ditch Win 98 and upgrade at least to Win 2K. There really is a HUGE difference in terms of stability.

I just realized something. All these complaints about bloatware on succeeding OSes can be used against each successive ID engine as well. Think about it

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:28
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:28
 
It's likely their install will detect and refuse to run under Windows 98, since that's very easy to do.

There's really no need to debate Windows XP vs 98. Face reality. You aren't going to change their minds. I'll tell you one thing, you certainly aren't going to be building Windows apps under 98. I haven't touched 98 since the days of NT 4.0 for development.

I've been using XP for the last 2 years and maybe blue screened twice.
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Re: Smarten up people...Read more.
Jul 27, 2004, 22:20
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Re: Smarten up people...Read more. Jul 27, 2004, 22:20
Jul 27, 2004, 22:20
 
*drum roll*...
Win98 is still supported by Microsoft:
http://www.windows-help.net/microsoft/98-lifecycle.html

It's not supported by D3 for many other reasons (memory limitations etc.). Win 98 is only still supported by Microsoft because cheapass businesses everywhere are still running it and they need xtra time to upgrade.

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Re: Ha!
Jul 27, 2004, 22:17
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Re: Ha! Jul 27, 2004, 22:17
Jul 27, 2004, 22:17
 
Sure it uses more resources because its better. 98 uses more resources than DOS... why.... because it is better.

Plus, new PCs have more resources available than the ones that were out in 98. Games and other apps use more resources than before, so why shouldn't new OS's? That's why we continually upgrade our hardware. Although, I agree that I also don't like certain things MS has done since Win98.. but there are many other things I do like.

More and more games are going to require Win2k and XP, so either you will have to upgrade or not play those games. I wouldn't be surprised if future hardware requires Win2k/XP as well. Other options are running a dual OS system or having a seperate PC just for the new OS. It's like having to get a new HD and video card when upgrading to a PCIE mobo with SATA.

Edit: If its working, why replace it?

If your old hardware is working, why replace it? If your old car is working, why replace it? If your wife is still working, why replace her? Wait, just messin' around with that last one. heh

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good riddance !
Jul 27, 2004, 22:16
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good riddance ! Jul 27, 2004, 22:16
Jul 27, 2004, 22:16
 
When I first installed XP I kept dual boot for win 98 so I can play my games in win98 and do everything else in XP. Well it turned out that I never ever actually went to 98 because all games worked perfect in XP so when I upgraded hard drive I just ditched 98 altogether

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:15
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:15
 
OMG Rictor, time to get your head out of your ass, you're running out of air and getting delirious.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:15
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:15
 
Because XP works better.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:14
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:14
 
Its been out for 3 years and you have never read about what it offers and what it can do? Sit down at the internet and read up. Microsoft will release a new OS every 4-5 years but they support up to 2 versions back. If you include 2000 and ME then guess what, 98 is too old. Using more resources doesn't automatically make it better, it uses more resources BECAUSE it is better.

Not being suported by Microsoft is a huge deal. If there are issues with the game under 98, Microsoft wont provide support. If a certain 98 driver is causing issues, Microsoft again will not work with providers to fix the issues. You have to build for the latest thing out there and leave the old stuff behind. Its called progression.

Eventually you just have to upgrade. An OS isn't something like pixel shading 2.0 or 3.0, or the latest bump mapping code. Its the guts of what runs our software. Eventually things are tailored to use the best thing out there and currently XP is it.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:13
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:13
 
Now, can someone explain to me why I should get XP, others than "its there".

Windows XP is pretty damn solid now. However, so is Windows 2000.

Both are based on NT technology. 98 was essentially a suped-up version of WIndows 95. Win 9x is a bastardization of DOS and some windows. It leaves a lot of room for a single (and small) application to take down the entire OS. In 2000/XP, it's pretty hard to take the OS down. 999 times out of 1000, if you DO get a crash, it's just the application, and the PC keeps on chugging along. Just make sure you have decent hardware and good drivers, and you should be fine.

People need to move on. You can get an "upgrade" version of "XP Home," for $99 USD. It does a complete install, but it asks you to verify you have a version of Windows by placing in the drive in the middle of the install process. Pulleeeezz, $100 for a superior OS isn't that bad.

2000 / XP is just a MUCH better experience on the PC. Windows 98 (and 98SE) set the "blue screen of death" rant in stone.

This is coming from a guy who's been running Windows XP Pro since before it was released in retail outlets, and only had a hard crash once (because I was screwing with hardware settings). I like Linux, and I'm not big on upgrading each time something better comes along (especially the OS). But XP (and 2000 at work) have been very good to me.

I'm not saying everyone should upgrade, because not everyone has the money or time to reinstall an OS + ALL applications. But XP is (in my opinion) worth the investment.

Meanwhile, Doom 3 will run under Linux. So, if you absolutely need to, you can repartition your drive, install a lite version of Linux, and play it on there. And (if you have nVidia), it be run pretty damn well; so long as you have the patience to set it up.



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No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:11
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:11
 
Just a question, though. Will Doom 3 not run at all in Win98, or is there just no guarantee it will run?

I remember that Alice and Undying supposedly wouldn't run on Win98/95, but I ran both of them on Win98 with no problems.

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:07
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:07
 
This has nothing to do with principals. It has to do with the fact that, unless someone makes a revolutionary new breakthrough, ala 3.1 -> 95, I'm not ever going to upgrade my OS, becuase I just don't see the point. If its working, why replace it?

Look, I use whatever works best. I don't use Mozilla or OpenOffice to spite Microsoft, I just use 'em because they provide a better product. Same with 98. It could be 60 years old for all I care, if it works, why bother?

and hey, I'll admit, Longhorn could just be a big enough difference to warrant upgrading...

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:05
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:05
 
i'm kinda dissapointed as i still run ME on my second rig and was hopeing to have some 1v1 lan action with it, but i don't forsee myself chucking out cash for a second copy of xp.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:04
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:04
 
Rictor Yes windows XP is much better than Win 98 but if you do not intent to play doom 3 and you do not have major problem with your 98 keep it! But if you have a deal for winXP, go for it you'll be more than happy

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No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:03
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:03
 
ID Software is screwing us again! They're in cahoots with Micro$oft! Cahoots, I say!

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Re: Upgrade Bitches!
Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
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Re: Upgrade Bitches! Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
 
No doubt. I remember when they made those 3dfx enabled DOS games when we were well into the Windows 98 era thinking to myself wtf?

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Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
 
Too funny.

If the thought of upgrading your six-year old OS is too much for your principles to handle, get Linux. It's free, and you'll be cool because you're refusing to bow to the evil MS empire.

For what it's worth, I've been using XP for nearly a year now, and haven't had a single problem with it.

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Re: No subject
Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
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Jul 27, 2004, 22:01
 
Because a lot of people cannot affort to pay a lot of money when their operating system still work and work well with almost every games.

I bet that you have a warez windows xp. But only you will know.

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Jul 27, 2004, 21:59
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Jul 27, 2004, 21:59
 
Yes, Windows 98 is no longer supported by Microsoft, so what? that doesn't mean that its magically obsolete. Guess what, Microsoft is going to come out with a new OS every 4-5 years, because, amazingly enoughm they're interested in money. Launching a new OS, which people think they suddenly have to buy just cause its the newest thing, is a quick way to make money. Hmm, imagine that.

Now, can someone explain to me why I should get XP, others than "its there".

Someone mentioned how it takes up more resources cause "its better". Hmm, well how exactly is it better? Is there anything that I need, and yet do not have under 98, that XP provides? Other than a few stability issues and some "easy to use" bullshit, why exactly is XP superior?

Besides, its not like this is Linux we're talking about, and you have to code seperetely for it. How can you *not* make it 98 compatiable, thats the way it is by default?

Its not even a money issue. Suprnova is just a click away.

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Jul 27, 2004, 21:55
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Jul 27, 2004, 21:55
 
Why would anyone still use Win98, when Win2k has been out for four years?

This is what people get for trying to be all "hardcore" and pointlessly stubborn.


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WIN98
Jul 27, 2004, 21:55
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WIN98 Jul 27, 2004, 21:55
Jul 27, 2004, 21:55
 
98 was a great gaming OS in it's day but with XP you get better support for newer hardware....it doesn't make 98 a bit of crap OS it was a great OS in its day

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