No Win98 DOOM 3

In today's (unusually late) DOOM 3 newsbit, a post on PlanetDOOM confirms from Activision that DOOM 3 will not run under Windows 98 or Win98SE, but that Windows XP or Windows 2000 will be required.
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Re: good riddance !
Jul 28, 2004, 02:20
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Re: good riddance ! Jul 28, 2004, 02:20
Jul 28, 2004, 02:20
 Prez
 
When I first installed XP I kept dual boot for win 98 so I can play my games in win98 and do everything else in XP. Well it turned out that I never ever actually went to 98 because all games worked perfect in XP so when I upgraded hard drive I just ditched 98 altogether

This really heartening to hear because this is exaclty what I've been thinking of doing for a long time now. If this is true, it sure would make my life easier. And I would feel alot better about ditching the old standby, '98!

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 02:15
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Jul 28, 2004, 02:15
 
I've been running my 4 PCs on WinXP Pro exclusively since Late 2001. Only BSODs I've ever had were overclocking related. The stabiliy factor is what convinced me. On Win98SE I used to run SETI@Home and would typically find the machine locked up after about 24 hours, and if not, it would most certainly need a reboot if I planned to do anything else with it. Now I leave my WinXP machines running for weeks at a time without rebooting. That may sound like an exaggeration but it's really true. The only time I ever reboot is when it's required after installing a new video driver, or security patch. I've never had to reboot XP because memory leaks slowly consumed all available resources as was often the case with Win98.

And for the folks who want to slam Microsoft for making a new OS every few years, why aren't you also bitching about ID making a new game every few years? It's the same damn thing, they need to make new products to stay in business. And the truth of the matter is, people want new stuff that does new things or improves the way something is done. Some people act as though Win98 will be the only OS they'll ever need for the rest of their lives. Please, everything evolves, that's why we aren't all still driving Model T cars, and why rotary dial telephones are a thing of the past, and why we have COLOR TV instead of B&W.

Also would like to point out that "Not supported" is very different from "Will not run on". Just becuase the game isn't supported on Win98 doesn't mean it won't run. It likely means that to reduce cost and time required for testing, they simply eliminated Win98 from their test matrix when QAing the game. So while it might run, they aren't going to help you troubleshoot it if it doesn't.

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 02:15
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 02:15
Jul 28, 2004, 02:15
 
The majority of gamers will already have WinXP or Win2k.

Precisely. I'm looking at the web statistics for my gaming site, and 55.26% of my visitors use XP, followed by 98 and 2000, both between 7 and 8%.

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Win9x Support
Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
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Win9x Support Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
 
Before anyone else freaks out, there's a simple reason why id isn't supporting Win9x; ATI doesn't support it. ATI stopped doing drivers for Win9x after the Catalyst 4.3 drivers were released early this year, so at this point about half the Win9x market couldn't properly play Doom 3 anyhow due to whatever bugs may lie in the old drivers. And when half the market can't play it, why bother supporting the market at all?

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It is a conspiracy
Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
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It is a conspiracy Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
Jul 28, 2004, 02:11
 
For everyone who is bitching about those of us who bitch about the corporate influence at work here, I finally found out what the deal with creative labs getting to say that Doom3 is somehow better with them. Quoth the Carmack (from PlanetDOOM)

"The patent situation well and truly sucks.

We were prepared to use a two-pass algorithm that gave equivalent results at a speed hit, but we negotiated the deal with Creative so that we were able to use the zfail method without having to actually pay any cash. It was tempting to take a stand and say that our products were never going to use any advanced Creative/3dlabs products because of their position on patenting gaming software algorithms, but that would only have hurt the users.

John Carmack"

So there, CL are a bunch of corp whores, and MS is the worst of all, and you know that Activision probably helped MS fuck over id on this OS thing. I'm now wondering what happened with Thief 3, did they get blackmailed too?

You cannot be a true gamer and not get pissed off when JOHN FUCKING CARMACK is forced to kowtow to a company that hasn't released a hot product in over 5 years.

P.S. I'm not finding a University in Florida that has this $5 deal for WinXP (I did find it at one in Texas, so it must exist). I'm willing to proposition college kids to help me commit fraud, I just need to find the right college.
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HAHAHA!
Jul 28, 2004, 01:52
92.
HAHAHA! Jul 28, 2004, 01:52
Jul 28, 2004, 01:52
 
No matter what your preference, done is done, and it's 2k/XP only. While all you "true gamers" are stubbornly clinging to 98 and your imagined "leetness", the rest of us will be happily fragging away! (incidentally, being just as much of a "true gamer", without those pesky BSOD. 6 years without one? Sure I believe you!) But if being leet and not selling out to XP is your speed, then power to you! Just remember you've got NO right to cry when you can't play new games. You made the choice to stick with 98, not us. Crying about not being able to play new games in 98 holds as much water as crying about not getting games for MAC. In both cases, YOU made the decision to run a machine that won't play the new games (or games at all) and since you made that decision you've got no one to blame but yourself.

See ya'll when you wise up and upgrade!

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Jul 28, 2004, 01:43
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Jul 28, 2004, 01:43
 
just get a premium usenet account for $10 and download it.

warezing from M$ is guilt free.

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huh whats the big deal?
Jul 28, 2004, 01:41
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huh whats the big deal? Jul 28, 2004, 01:41
Jul 28, 2004, 01:41
 
If your mad that you have to spend money to upgrade to play a game you've been looking forward to for a long time, welcome to computer gaming....

If this is you first shock, you might want to quit now and take up stamp collecting.

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:38
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:38
Jul 28, 2004, 01:38
 
#88:
yeah, well, this is what happens when you don't take a look and ask before complaining

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:29
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:29
Jul 28, 2004, 01:29
 
Five dollars?

FIVE?!

Really???!!!
I drank all that alcohol over 5 bucks?!

AND I DON'T EVEN NEED TO BUY EXTRA COPIES??!!!?

I think I'm gonna puke...

I don't believe you. Must google university copy of Xp...
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Re: More ranting?
Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
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Re: More ranting? Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
 
or just use cd keygen. generate corp key, and then you dont have the product calling home, and you can change as much hardware as you want, and it wont stop working either.


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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
Jul 28, 2004, 01:26
 
"COMMUNISM!"

I'm in, but I get to be Supreme leader. I shall integrate all my favorite software houses in the People's Game Development Unit. We shall make a MMORPG with story by Bioware, graphics by id, gameplay from Blizzard. And we'll resurrect Origin and Looking Glass!!!!! AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT THEY CAN GO LIVE IN A CAMP IN THE YUKON, NAKED. MUWHAAHHAHA!!!

Seriously, anyone want to sell me a copy of XP or 2000 cheap? No? Price controlled by the monopolists? Really? I thought we made that illegal under Teddy Roosevelt? Bush let them off? Well, that settles my vote.
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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
 
XP uses some form of copy-protection that prevents me from using the same CD on more than one computer on my network, doesn't it?

A very common misconception, one that even I had when XP was first launching. You can install your copy of XP as many times as you like, however possibly depending on the version, you can have it installed on multiple machines as well. All you have to do is call the Customer Service line (which is open 24/7) and tell them that you have changed hardware or building a new PC...whatever. I have an OEM WinXP which I have got running on 2 machines, and are networked with one another.

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Re: Yeah we're pissed
Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
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Re: Yeah we're pissed Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
Jul 28, 2004, 01:25
 
LOL! At first I was thinking you guys were kidding. But now... LOL. I agree, by far the funniest thread since a long time here.
You really hoped to play a ground breaking 2004 game on a 1998 OS that isnt even supported anymore by microsoft and most hardware developers? On ultra low setting (16x16 textures, polycount 10 models) with 320x200 resolution? ROFL!
"ID just lost another customer" LOL! You guys are awesome. you just made my day, thank you!
Or are you just some pissed of ATI fanboys who want to vent?


On the other points, yes win2k and XP are far more stable than 95/98 or *shiver* ME. I still wonder why some people call 95/98/ME operating systems, or even USE those still! But somehow XP is not as good as win2k on my machine. I have had it 8 months on my computer now and it already got extremely slow so that I will have to do a fresh install soon. win2k was on my machine 2 years and at the end of that it was still as fast as on the first day... I wish win2k had a fully working HT support, then I would switch back.

AND YES it is possible to run win98 or 95 and even ME without getting any blue screens, but that would mean you have only 6, maybe 5 year old hardware, nothing more than a graphic card in a slot, no more than 128 mb installed and NO GAMES installed. then it was no problem at all. heck, my father still uses it on some work station. read again, WORK STATIONS. still good enough for that. but for games? lol...

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Re: No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
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Re: No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
 
#68, you don't really NEED to upgrage the other computers to XP, but it'd make things easier on you. $180 easier, NO.

IF you are still in school, or know someone who is, MOST universities sell copies of WinXP (professional edition, no less) for FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS.
The Uni versions come with SLIGHTLY fewer bells and whistles....the installer, for example, doesn't have the cute pictures of Beaver Cleaver and his mom pretending to play a game. But it does come with all the networking options (as opposed to Home edition), and is, happily, 100% legit.

At $5 a pop, you could afford to upgrade all your machines. I'd hope. Some Unis only allow one copy per student...a student buying 20 copies of WinXP just doesn't happen. But hey, seriously, you could sit on a college campus and pay people $5 to buy you a copy...effectively putting you at $30. It wouldn't take very long to convince 3 students to do this for you; there's plenty of kids who just arrived there with a computer pre-loaded with winXP...they have no use for another copy. And as any college kid knows, $5 gets you dinner.

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No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
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No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
 
If you want to play DOS games in 2k/XP, I suggest trying DOSbox. It's a DOS emulator that runs a ton of software and supports all kinds of old hardware. It even runs protected mode games (in the CVS build) like Duke3D and Doom. It's at http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

Also, upgrading your OS in respect to Windows is sort of like buying a new television. Sure, your old one works and does its job, but a newer is much nicer with more features.

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No subject
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
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No subject Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
 
And true gamers do not dual boot 98. True gamers have a 486 DX/2 or a Pentium 90 laying around to play the classics

I wish man...my brother sold my 486 DX2/100 computer without even telling me, that was quite possibly the best machine I ever had.

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Please don't pick on Rictor...
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
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Please don't pick on Rictor... Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
Jul 28, 2004, 01:23
 
Rictor is obviously Amish. (Though I think posting on a gaming forum is like blasphemy to them... or something...)
Amish people don't use wireless devices. Amish people don't use PCIe or Serial ATA or DDR2.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20040430055232.html

The Inquirer cites Intel as saying that there will be no drivers of i915P/i915G, i925X and derivative chipsets for Microsoft Windows 98 and Microsoft Windows ME operating systems. While the reasons for the move are not reported, it is pretty clear that relatively old operating systems may not function well enough with PCI Express-based core-logic components. Furthermore, Microsoft no longer accepts certification submissions for the Windows ME operating system and ceased support for the Windows 98 about 2 years ago.

Okay, the bit about Microsoft dropping support isn't quite right, but the point is, you don't have a Ford Model A on your desktop that you can keep alive forever with aftermarket parts. It's a computer. It becomes obsolete. That's what computers do very well.

Yeah, I don't like the fact that Microsoft crammed a CD burner and movie maker into the OS and tied Internet Explorer into every nook and cranny. But all the other bullshit that runs in the background? Just shut it off!

http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads27.html
http://www.litepc.com/
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1590

Tweak your OS or don't - the choice is yours. But to say that XP is less customizable or more restrictive is just plain ignorant IMHO.

Maybe Amish people like Active Desktop?
http://toastytech.com/guis/win982.html

But the real question is, will Doom3 run on MICROSOFT BOB ?????
http://toastytech.com/guis/bob2.html

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Re: More ranting?
Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
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Re: More ranting? Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
 
XP uses some form of copy-protection that prevents me from using the same CD on more than one computer on my network, doesn't it?????!!!!!!

You can use the same CD you just need a different license. When you purchase a piece of software what you're really purchasing is the legal privelage to use the software, you don't actually own it. In order to install the OS on another PC you need another license, thus you need to buy another copy of XP if only for CD-Key.

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Win Ninety What?
Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
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Win Ninety What? Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
Jul 28, 2004, 01:22
 
I can just hear the "What!?! I'm not upgrading and lose [insert crap 16-bit application they pirated 5 years ago here]!" stuff now!

I went to XP as soon as it came out - and I don't regret not having seen the BSOD since. XP rules! I now consider all previous versions of Windows to have been beta product.

Soon they will announce it won't run on a Voodoo 2 - imagine the bitching you'll hear then!

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