Not to mention this is the least racist place to live in, in the world. Bar none!

huh? I always thought that was Brazil or Cuba.

TheNarcist: wtf are you on? First you're twisting words and defending yourself by saying "the internet is critical, so I can be dumb and reinterpret what bugtracking means', then you make the incredible (read: not credible) statement that where you live is the least racist place to live.
Your talk of affirmative action leads me to beleive that that would be the US...fatherland of the KKK. But the funny thing is (to quote someone who's name I've forgot) that most people who have truly fucked you over (the teachers in school, the highschool bully, principle who gave you detention, the catburglar who robbed your house, the police officer who gave you a fine, the bankmanager who denied your loan, the politicians who rob you blind and tear up the constitution) are white!

So shut up about politics and programming: you're barely qualified to post that you did or did not like a game, let alone to post on something which would actually require some thought. Go post your crap on AOL.

Yeah "historically"... this country is far from what it used to be. There is nothing that cant be said for every race now as far as "racism".

The door swings every which way now in this country and everything is pretty much even racial wise. Now affirmative action and being able to play the "race card" is a whole 'nother debate.

Not to mention this is the least racist place to live in, in the world. Bar none!

> its like saying black people are the ones that do most of the stealing as being rasist when its sadly true..

And if you're really smart and know about the historical dynamics of assosciating ethnicity and/or race with behavioural specifics, you're also quick to point out it's not because they're black but because of the way blacks are treated by society. Just to be safe and not start a FUCKING FLAMEWAR.

Back to Half Life 2, eh?

its like saying black people are the ones that do most of the stealing as being rasist when its sadly true

Now now dont open up a can of worms, although, if 4-5 black cops beat up a white guy, and then they were aquitted, would the "white community" riot and loot in LA? hrmmmm!



Liked your littel HL2 story with Gabe... the Zombie one will be classic

it isn't trolling if its pretty much fact rofl..

its like saying black people are the ones that do most of the stealing as being rasist when its sadly true..

Bring on the trolls...well bring on more of them.

ATI: eh, so how is halflife 2

Gabe: its doing well

ATI: hey if you release it in september and promote our Card we'll give you 129312321 million dollars

Gabe: oh yeah we are like 'this' close ot finishing

ATI: sweet deal is done

Programmer 1: But Mr Newell, we haven't been doing anythign for the last 4 years, the code is just hl1 with some of MS's dx9 demos added in, how will we make it

Gabe: don't worry about that.. btw do you know anyone that can hack into my email by any chance?

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phone rings
.....

Carmack: hey wanna be a model for a zombie in Doom 3?
Gabe: Do I ever!!!


-- meanwhile some time later

Lead Programmer: look, Gabe, we are getting even frame rates, just like carmack.. thought he did point something out in his plan file..

*Gabe reads*

Gabe: ok lissen up people.. each wall HAS to render at least 8 textures, including 3 lightmaps of same res..

Intern Programmer: won't that hurt performance?

Gabe: hehe your learning quickly new boy..

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*Gabe picks up the phone and dials*

Gabe: hello? is this SCO? oh yes hi, I'd like some tips on FUD.....

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*Press conference*

Press: How is halflife 2 going

Gabe: Yes its progressing well since the code 'thief'. we are currently working hard writing the physics engine

Press: Excuse me Mr Newwell, but wasn't Halflife 2 using the havok physics engine? should hte coders have nothing todo with it?

Gabe: eh, um... I just need to go to the car and get my coat... *runs*

> He just needs to word things better in the overly-critical age we live in now.

True, the reaction in here kinda proves that.

Well, considering the release date fiasco and the ATi coupon thing, the mistrust is well deserved ...

He also said "Each day you fix some bugs and you find some new bugs." The implication is you can only fix bugs you're aware of. What he says is "if we keep finding and fixing bugs at the current rate, according to our bug tracking statistics, we'll hit zero in 16 days". He does not claim "there will be no bugs left whatsoever".


Hey I totally agree, and I understand developing and "BUGS" and "bugs".

He just needs to word things better in the overly-critical age we live in now. And not leave it up to his "beloved" community to do it for him. Thats all!

> Either way you l33t g33ks try to describe it to anyone. Gabe did say DOWN TO ZERO BUGS in 16 days.

He also said "Each day you fix some bugs and you find some new bugs." The implication is you can only fix bugs you're aware of. What he says is "if we keep finding and fixing bugs at the current rate, according to our bug tracking statistics, we'll hit zero in 16 days". He does not claim "there will be no bugs left whatsoever".

As I tried to explain in above post, he's referring to the bugs they are aware of - which are tracked in a database.

Obviously, with such a large codebase, more bugs linger that are impossible to detect and/or reproduce in a reasonable amount of time.

Come on, guys: I don't think of Newell very highly (anymore), either. But it seems obvious to me that he took the concept of development methodology and bug tracking for granted when he wrote that statement. So he's not at all promising a bug-free game here.

Just one without any bugs they're aware of. If that resembles the truth, none of us know.

Either way you l33t g33ks try to describe it to anyone. Gabe did say DOWN TO ZERO BUGS in 16 days.

Take it as you will and dont sugar coat it with developing logics. Everyone knows how critical the internet is, thus he opened a can of pork fat by saying such a thing.

Remember, your average gamer isnt a developing Don-Jaun. And Gabe knows this. Thus he is putting his foot in his mouth.

Chances are that the bugs they are refering to are only High Priority bugs. More often than not the lower priority bugs ship with the title and are never resolved.

I have NEVER seen a bug free retail PC game. Some games are in better shape than others when released, but they are all essentialy beta software. (some are released in pre-alpha stage, think SOLDNER hehe)

Anyone who has the foresight to guarantee the logic of millions of lines of code is either a god or a republican

I love how all the bearcub poster trolls come out whenever half-life 2 or doom 3 is mentioned

-DSR

[i]Don't hate me because I'm beautiful[/i]

> Their shipping a bug free game WOOHOO!!! When is Gabe going to quit lying and go back to eating more babies!

In all fairness, he's not talking about shipping a "bugfree game". Let me tell you something about how development works: Testers and developers alike enter bug reports into a bug tracking software. A bug report includes detailed information on the problem, such as steps to reproduce it. On the basis of that report, the developers are trying to come up with a solution. If it works, the bug is "closed" in the tracking software, albeit saved for future reference.

That process is what he's talking about.

Yup, no point in bitching about Cards and Games and Gabe eating babies. Just shut up and play until your eyes catch fire.

BTW Doom3 will blow HL2 out of the water on graphics alone.

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Valve is a bunch of fucking liars. How many times have they lied to gamers, just to keep up their interest in their shoddy game?

Gabe, is he that fat bastard guy in Austin Powers?

Yup, no point in bitching about Cards and Games and Gabe eating babies. Just shut up and play until your eyes catch fire.

BTW Doom3 will blow HL2 out of the water on graphics alone.

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fanboys will download the "other" game illegaly so they can't show how badass they are + save some $$$
You have to be pretty lame though, if you can love HL2 but not Doom3 (or vice versa)