Those peeps at ZOLDNER never feign concern, or do they?

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=48501&boardid=1&id=164033&view=flatnew&start=20

Look at the post by Plex before he deletes the post :-).

In case he deleted it already, here is a snippet:
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feedback Apr 23, 20:18 Plex

Your feedback is more then welcome. For those people here within the comments that hate the "SOLDNER" voice. It will be taken care off. Got feedback? Tell us.

"Plex" aka Marc S.Olbertz
Wings Simulations
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This comment was edited on Jun 24, 21:27.

LMAO

Bluenews peeps got me soo good. lol.
This comment was edited on Jun 24, 13:47.

I apologize for the harsh statement, Hump. I (as well as others) didn't agree with Hump's last assessment of the Soldiers: Heroes of WWII demo. Saying you dislike and don't have patience for the RTS genre, then denouncing a rather innovative RTS title makes no sense. The thing that bugs me is damn near every game announcement I've seen on Blues News for the past few months has been nothing but complaining.

While I agree with Hump on this, bitching gets you nowhere. The Publishers couldn't give a shit. You want them to take notice? Hit them in the pocket book. Don't by the damn games. Consumers have allowed the current trend of patching to grow to grotesque proportions. Instead of a patch being for something that no company could nail in months and months of QA testing, it's become an avenue to get revenue as soon as possible and then finish the game after release. But everyone has to have the game right now and can't wait to read reviews, hear word of mouth, etc. The current decline in PC titles hasn't been from bitching, it's been from poor sales. So what does the Publisher do? Shift their investments to the console market. We're screwed regardless.

Hump said it like it is. Some kid who spent all his paper round money on this is going to be so pissed off...

To buy this is to endorse the 'release a game that's 80 % done', philosophy that pisses me off with PC games. That demo was a joke. I now have nightmares now hearing that same word 'Soldner,' spoken again and again and again as the thing crashes and I restart it, ad infinitum... I shouldn't have to buy a game and hope to the developer Gods in the sky they make a good patch soon. There are far more deserving games out there for my money who sell a complete game in the box.

@Hump: Jesus you must like to bitch. LOL Everytime I see your handle it's accompanied by pissing and moaning

I enjoy Hump's posts...

There is the theory of the moebius, a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop time becomes a loop time becomes a loop http://www.loopz.co.uk/

Yeah yeah, we all know the game has problems and is a piece of shit. Big deal, move on with your life. If you haven't bought it then avoid the mentions and patches.

@Hump: Jesus you must like to bitch. LOL Everytime I see your handle it's accompanied by pissing and moaning.:)

(Load game)

"ZOLDNER!"

(Join game, get disconnected, back to main menu)

"ZOLDNER!"

(game crashes, reload game)

"ZOLDNER!"

etc.

Actually. if you smoke enough weed, you will find ZOLDNER to be a blast. However, you will also find that GW Bu$h is a genius.

Besides. I don't think that this viper guy works for the guys who made this excellent game.
This comment was edited on Jun 24, 08:46.

viper you are the kind of retard that gives fanboys a bad name... go jerk off to your soldner box and give the forums here a rest

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Give me slack. Or kill me.

Take it easy there Viper, no need to get your Soldner underoos in a bunch. Saying this game is decently playable is like saying genital herpes is decently curable. I guess if you've already got it, you learn how to deal with it.

Vipermmx is a moron I got the point lol

Man, this is some funny stuff!! lolz0r!!11one.

And it's frightingly true how much "ZOULDNEER" sucks. It's just a bad, buggy game. Move on.


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Always expect the worst and you will never be dissapointed

A small dev and you expect a perfect game out of the box when it was pushed by publisher because they ran out of funding?

well, actually, yes we do. When you've made the descision to put your game into the retail channel and slap a price of $49 on it , it doesn't (or shouldn't) matter how big/small the dev team is.

Just the way you decribe the reasoning for its patching shows how fucked up the system has become, as if we should have the gall to expect the game to function the way it is advertised on the box.

Forget that you've ever played a PC game before. You're a 13 yr old kid with his dad in a store and he's going to pick out his birthday present. He sees Soldner and decides, after reading the box, that this is what he wants. He especially likes the idea that its both multiplayer AND single player capable because he doesn't have internet access at the moment. Most of all he likes the idea of making his own maps with the included editor.

he gets home and installs Soldner. Starting up the SP game he eventually gets bummed out because, for reasons he can't fathom, the "bots" dont know how to use the vehicles. Sure, they try to run him down but none of them fire a shot! Also, his system is not much over the minimum specs listed on the box but that shouldnt matter if he turns down the few graphical bells and whistles the game uses, right? The publisher(s) wouldnt stretch the truth about that, would they? Unfortunately the game runs horribly to the point of it being almost unplayable. He's upset but he's still enticed by the editor so he gives that a shot. Funny, though, theres no instructions for it. By trial and error he makes a little progress but he keeps running into an error. Nothing he does fixes it. He doesnt have a net connection currently so he cant go to the official site for help. Not that it would matter, theres nothing there about the issue. To make a long story short he would've had to go to the forums and find that the problem is a critical compressed file that needs to be decompressed using a special app. The strange thing is, the company doesn't have one to download but luckily, one of the CUSTOMERS was able to make one and gladly put it up for download for others to use.

The kid gets fed up and asks his dad if they can return it. They go to the store and guess what?? The store they bought it from doesn't TAKE BACK opened software. Should've bought it somewhere else right? Not really. 99.99% of stores in the US won't do it either. You can bust the disc and say it was like that when you bought it but the most they'll do is give you a fresh steaming copy of the same game. Your other option is to go to a store like Electronics-Boutique where they'll be happy to give you 20 cents on the dollar for a used PC game (if your lucky).

but hey, we're all supposed to fall over ourselves with gratitude that Wings is going to patch the game. we're supposed to read, with a straight face, that the patch is now going through their "QA" department as we type. Ostesibly this is the same "QA" that turned a blind eye to some major bugs in the beta but which we were assured wouldnt make it onto the retail shelves. Well, we know how that went. Some bright soul from Encore announced that they were delaying the game for a month until june 22nd to further polish the game. Several days later the game showed up on European shelves as a buggy mess and further, Plex (Marc Oberman of Wings) writes in the forum that the US build is identical....even though they have a month to implement the patch for it.

I could go on and on with stories like this (hell, I didn't even tough on the horror show that is their online aspect) but you get the gist of what I'm saying. If people continue to "forgive" this kind of work it'll get worse. If you start an ambitious project it is imperitive that you secure enough funding to take it to completion. If you sign on with a publisher you make sure they are in for the long haul. If you end up going way over-budget don't make the public responsible for taking up the slack, its just wrong.

If people can't see this is wrong then maybe its time I took up another hobby.

-Hump

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Currently Playing - Joint Ops, UT2004, Soldner

@17: KIK!

KIK?.. LOL!..

That’s it ladies and gentlemen, you heard it straight from Vipermmx's mouth, Soldner is the best damn online game there is. This logic is so undeniable I will not even bother arguing it, clearly all these *other* games cannot reach the pinnacle of gaming goodness Soldner has achieved. We can clearly tell before its even been fixed to playable state that it has shown the Operation Flashpoint series, Battlefield series, and Navalogic's long running Delta Force series to be completely obsolete and busted to what the "defenseless, exploited, underpaid, understaffed, their dog just died" good old boys at Wing Simulations have done with the groundbreaking hit Soldner.

We should all thank Vipermmx showing us how much how much time we've been wasting on these "old and dead" games, and how to avoid them by buying the biggest damn game box you can find in the store. Vipermmx does not mess with small boxes, he got the skills.

Clearly a game that attracts the enormous prowess Vipermmx is not to be laughed at. He has proven that he will only go with the best and highest quality titles, anyone who dares disagrees with Vipermmx will be labeled a "moron". Any attempts to try and shove some pussy shit as a better title than the game Vipermmx has picked will be met with an in-depth look at the game's play mechanics and why they are fundamentally flawed compared to whatever excellent game Vipermmx has chosen to spend his valuable time on. Why you may only look at his thread for example, Vipermmx's wisdom on Joint Ops:

get chopper rides all game

THIS ASTOUNDING STUFF!!! Vipermmx has succeeded where every game preview has failed to do so, truly reveal the gameplay the experience of JO, in just four short words Vipermmx has given us the very essence of what is JO. I feel like I'm living the experience of playing JO thanks to Vipermmx's in-depth look into what makes this game tick.

Here however is the best part. Now that Vipermmx has completely established what "morons" you all are to dare mock his excellent game choice, a game which is undeniably one of the greatest games ever made, Vipermmx will demonstrate how his game is so superior to yours that to mention the offending filth again will afflict you with a variety of obscure medieval diseases.

a shitload of gameplay involved

Someone read BFV or JO boxes then Soldner they would of course go with the bigger one.

Simply collecting all the excitingly colorful thoughts which pass through your mind when you attempt to mentally envision these statements can leave you with only one conclusion, Vipermmx has reached the current high-point of human evolution.

I have been so deeply moved by Vipermmx and his revelations as to what is wrong with the games today that I can't help but speculate as to the future of gaming industry in the United States and around the world. Bad games are a big problem, we can only hope the valiant efforts of Vipermmx and his current favorite Wings Simulations can turn this bad game trend around.

The Soviets trained dolphins to kill scuba-diving saboteurs. Scientists have taught gorillas sign language. Someone taught clowns how not to murder children. Vipermmx has taught us to buy big boxes.

I ask you, my fellow gamers, to salute this man.

This comment was edited on Jun 24, 05:58.

After the patchs the game will be smooth im sure.

So, you're sure about this? You know, with customers like you, publisher and dev's continue to release buggy games, prehaps fixing their crap AFTER you buy it and making cash with the dumbness of people like you.

But ... it's your money, you can do whatever you want with, throwing it out of the window, burn it or even buy "Söldner".

@13.

If you liked Flashpoint before You'll love it if you try it with patch 1.96, REsistance Add-on and either ECP + IQM, ECP & FDF or WARGAMES 4.11.

Its a whole new game - taking it to new levels and upgrading so much its like Flashpoint v2.00.

The only problem in flashpoint now is the shitty netcode/server/multiplayer.

@Vipermmx.

You know you're wrong.

Is it a good thing that they have FINALLY gotten the message from their customers (and would be/could be customers) and started to realise that communication IS #1 (When there are problems - as there are with this title) and that they need to fix these issues - and report on the progress: YES!

It is a good thing that the game was pushed out the door to mmet some imaginary deadline resulting in the game being ripped to shreds in reviews and by word of mouth: NO!

I am sure EVERY gamer who waited for Söldner would be more than satisfied to wait 2-4 months for a working copy - coupled with updated / patches to the beta demo - so they could see the progress and help squish the bugs - BEFORE the game was released, just so the game WOULD BE released in working/perfect order.

There should be NO reasons to have to release a patch to the game if they had taken the time and the necessary beta testing prior to release.

It might be a good idea when you plan a project to multiply all the dates with 2 or 3.. So, if you plan release in 6 months, make it 12.

If the publisher is so stupid that they can not see the financial gain in releasing a HIT TITLE that gets GOOD WORD OF MOUTH and GOOD REVIEWS resulting in a lot more titles being sold, than a "we need this out now, to get our ROI, damned be the customers and the bugs, we can fix it later!", they deserve and should be, put out of bussines.

This comment was edited on Jun 24, 04:02.

BFV is the only one out of those worth 2 salt. I play it current but its not the best. Limited Vehicles and arcade like combat to some extent.

Joint Operations plain sucks ass. Period. Its boring to run and get chopper rides all game. Woo what fun.

Soldner at least has a shitload of gameplay involved. Sure it needs patchs big deal what games dont. You dont like it big deal your a small minority. Buyers are the ones that look at box and buy. Most people buy based on the boxart and reading what the game has in it.

Someone read BFV or JO boxes then Soldner they would of course go with the bigger one.

After the patchs the game will be smooth im sure. As for poor dev line your read to uch into games. Like I said dont buy it and wait for a patch. The game has ALOT of good stuff if bugs get worked out.

As for operation flashpoint its old and dead. The engine sucks and the destroyable worl is VERY limited. Ill wait for OFP2 I did like OFP1 though.