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Re: DIY DVD censorship
Jun 1, 2004, 10:42
Enahs
 
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Re: DIY DVD censorship Jun 1, 2004, 10:42
Jun 1, 2004, 10:42
 Enahs
 
You are all WRONG, I saw R rated movies around 10.

If that does not scare you people into thinking some ugly fat boaring (Yes, I spelled that correctly, not just boring, but boar as in wild boar boring) middle aged house wife should decide what everybody should watch at a young age, I do not know what will. You must not care about your children then, damn hippies smelling like patchouli.


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Re: DIY DVD censorship
Jun 1, 2004, 10:38
Enahs
 
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Re: DIY DVD censorship Jun 1, 2004, 10:38
Jun 1, 2004, 10:38
 Enahs
 
It's like puting pants on Michalangelo's David because kids can see his wee wee.

You would not do that because you can see his “wee wee”, but because he has such a small “wee wee”. I am fairly sure he is incredibly embarrassed and just hoping and praying someone would put pants on him!

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
Jun 1, 2004, 00:06
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Re: DIY DVD censorship Jun 1, 2004, 00:06
Jun 1, 2004, 00:06
 
These days we have technology, and technology allows for us to add more options to life instead of everything being a binary decision.

It can be argued that technology has helped get us into our current societal situation where some of us believe they need to rely on it to watch movies they shouldn't be watching with children in the same room.

Maybe it's just because I am old school, but this kind of technology seems to me to be a way to avoid the effort that goes into being parents. When someone uses these devices, they basically outsource their moral judgement on movies to a third party, in my opinion.


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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 23:30
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 23:30
May 31, 2004, 23:30
 


Nah, see, it isn't Silence of the Lambs you need to worry about.

By 12 I had already read a dozen or so Stephen King books, including It twice. We're lucky I'm not raping corpses.


It's fun to go back to those re-read them. It's like reading them for the first time, considering how much I missed. I got the point of the books, but missed small details.
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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 22:26
indiv
 
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 22:26
May 31, 2004, 22:26
 indiv
 
I'm probably dating myself, but in the good ol' days we simply didn't show those films to the young'uns.

Well, yes, but back in your day you also had to walk to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways. These days we have technology, and technology allows for us to add more options to life instead of everything being a binary decision.

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 21:51
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 21:51
May 31, 2004, 21:51
 
I have kids, and I already have a device that does all these wonderful things. It's called a remote control, and it doesn't cost me any extra money.

No device is going to make up for lack of parenting. Either you take the responsibility, or you don't.

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May 31, 2004, 21:51
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May 31, 2004, 21:51
 

When I was 11 my parents had no problem taking me to see Silence of the Lambs.

Allright, let's have it: how many people have you killed so far you psycho bastard?

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 20:15
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 20:15
May 31, 2004, 20:15
 
You can see PG-13 and R movies, just not with your children.


Adults need to make decisions, not have the company make it for them. It varies per kid. When I was 11 my parents had no problem taking me to see Silence of the Lambs. Other friends couldn't see R movies until they were 17.


Depends on the kid, and needs to be a decision by people that know them.

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 19:46
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 19:46
May 31, 2004, 19:46
 
I didn't read the article, but doesn't Parental Lock on dvds do the same thing?

Nope. If you enable parental controls on a DVD or TV (V-chip in the case of the latter) then it's a binary situation -- you can either watch the movie/show w/o the code or you cannot.

And, no, you won't be able to watch NBK, or Kill Bill, or a porn movie any other super violent/super sexual movie through this system -- the company providing the screening data simply won't screen those kinds of movies because it's pointless.

The real issue, however, is that the screening process is rather arbitrary. Different screeners will block scenes that others wouldn't or vica versa, and to a large extent it's not even consistent within movies. One of the examples given is in Black Hawk Down. When an American soldier is shot
the moment of impact is not shown, but when a Somali is shot not only is the bullet impact shown, but often the after effects (twitching body, etc.).

Honestly, I agree that this is a cop out by parents. If a movie has a particular message and the parents feel that their children should see it, then watch it in full. If there are only a few scenes that are questionable then fast forward through them yourself. That or simply don't show your children the movie (my preference). Yes, you won't be able to see as many R-rated or even PG-13 rated movies. Welcome to parenthood.

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 17:15
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 17:15
May 31, 2004, 17:15
 
The problem is that most of the time it isn't some scenes or the language that could spoil children, but rather the overall message a movie brings. And that isn't controlable with some nifty device. The example was given of Natural Born Killers: your children won't be able to see any gore or hear any foul language, but they will go to bed with the message that killing can be fun.

Just show your childern The Iron Giant or Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 17:07
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 17:07
May 31, 2004, 17:07
 
I think it's an abomination.


What is the point of having a director if this does it's own direction?


Yeah, so now you can let your kids watch Natural Born Killers. Smart.



If you don't feel it's appropriate for a child to see the movie in full it isn't necessary for him to see it partial.

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 17:00
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 17:00
May 31, 2004, 17:00
 
Would it somehow be better if they sat there with the remote control and skipped the scenes themselves?

I'm probably dating myself, but in the good ol' days we simply didn't show those films to the young'uns. Any film which contained any scenes deemed unsuitable for kids simply didn't get run at my place... No fast forwarding by hand or machine required.

It would be a scream to run a porno flick through this system - the movie would be over in like a minute or two...
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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 16:11
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 16:11
May 31, 2004, 16:11
 
it's also another example of people not wanting to take responsibility for what their kids watch.
How so? These parents are paying a monthly fee to make sure that they're in total control of what gets shown to their kids. How on earth are they not wanting to take responsibility?! Because they're letting a machine filter the scenes? Would it somehow be better if they sat there with the remote control and skipped the scenes themselves?


yes it would actually be better because parents would be spending time with their children. heck they could posibly do something even more constructive like go play ball, or for a bike ride together...

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 15:42
indiv
 
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 15:42
May 31, 2004, 15:42
 indiv
 
it's also another example of people not wanting to take responsibility for what their kids watch.

How so? These parents are paying a monthly fee to make sure that they're in total control of what gets shown to their kids. How on earth are they not wanting to take responsibility?! Because they're letting a machine filter the scenes? Would it somehow be better if they sat there with the remote control and skipped the scenes themselves?

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 15:22
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 15:22
May 31, 2004, 15:22
nin
 
Well...if it was my work, I'd be pissed simply because it wasn't the way I intended it to be seen. Another example would be to take a popular painting, and censor it. You're changing the artists version of what they're trying to present. (And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to compare a hack and slash film to a famous painting, it's just that in both cases, the media is changed to reflect the values of whoever views it, and those values may not represent how the writer/director/artist wants his/her media to be viewed.)

I didn't read the article, but doesn't Parental Lock on dvds do the same thing? I'm guessing a lot of dvds don't include the feature?



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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 14:40
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 14:40
May 31, 2004, 14:40
 
I kind of agree that it's a good thing for little kids BUT, it's also another example of people not wanting to take responsibility for what their kids watch. Just let the magic box take care of it. It's also a bastardization of art and make no mistake, whether it's good or bad, film IS art. It's like puting pants on Michalangelo's David because kids can see his wee wee. The Mormons hard at work again.. anybody remember the "Blockbuster" versions of movies.

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Re: DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 14:10
WarPig
 
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Re: DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 14:10
May 31, 2004, 14:10
 WarPig
 
I don't quite understand the furor.

I don't either, and if I had kids I might look into this too. As long as the people watching know what they're getting and actually want to see their movies this way, what's the harm. Maybe if the people who think today's movies are too "filthy" for them have this choice they'll leave the rest of us alone to make our own decision of what we want to see - well, for the most part anyway. There will always be those who think it's their mission in life to impose there value system on the rest of us.

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DIY DVD censorship
May 31, 2004, 13:25
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DIY DVD censorship May 31, 2004, 13:25
May 31, 2004, 13:25
 
I don't quite understand the furor. I've wondered for years why the chopped-down movies shown on airline flights aren't made available. Cuz heck, sometimes you want to be able to watch a film with your mom/kid without resorting to Disney or the 1950's.

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